Ormonroyd isn’t as strong in defence or as quick to get set, shortly after he came on Saints made a half break because he wasn’t in position quickly enough. We will probably need him against Catalans though.

McDermott got his tactics spot on getting as many minutes as possible from Garbutt, Mullally and Cuthbertson, giving them rests by kicking for touch while also taking Saints back three out of the game.

Ormondroyd's defence is too slow and flat footed, especially for back row

Actually, if Ormondroyd was a few years younger, he'd be a really exciting prospect. He does seem to struggle with the pace of games in defence, but he probably needs to play more games against SL teams, and we'll see that side of his game improve.

Big call that Burrow reckons he is and imo id give him a go.

Do you think he's mobile enough for 2nd row in Super League Mark? I'm not so sure. I like him, he has good things going for him tho I'm just not as convinced as some.

Every week people put him in their 17 and every week I think there is no way he will be in the team.

He may not be the fastest but i think he's a strong runner good hands & does big minutes.
Id like to see him on dual reg at least because i think he Johnson & Mconnel are too good for u19 RL.

I would be ok with him/them going dual reg or on loan to further develop them and get them playing against men but then that proves my point I made that he isn't ready for Super League just yet.

I agree with all the points you make about Trout and would also add he's got a good step/footwork and he's got good size my concern is his lateral movement and his ability to cover ground across the park but he's got some things going for him and hopefully he will continue to develop further.

Well if that performance vs our previous recent efforts doesn't prove that attitude makes all the difference then nothing will. That side was as weak on paper as most we've put out this year but the performance and style of play was miles better.

I think they style of play was the most pleasing thing. It's been a long long time since we offloaded like that. Let's hope penny has dropped and that's how we need to play now.

I think it’s quite simlple, having two starting props allowing Cutherbertson to pmay at loose (his best position in my book) meant he was able to play his natural game, likewise parcell.

So its purely down to that why we've been so poor at times this year??

why did we look organised and the previous games been a complete shambles?
I agree we looked good. not sure why it's taken so long to figure out. let's see what wednesday brings

You throw enough at a wall, eventually, some will stick.

Not solely down to that but not having wnough props has massively hampered our play

no big men and no props so why try and beat teams up the middle? bit silly don't you think?