Yeah agree. The pack is most definitely still a work in progress.. scrum half also..

You would think unless Frawley and Lisone have exceptional season they will be gone.Think we have 7 players off contract . Frawley Lisone Oledski McDonnell Bentley Holroyd Gannon.

That's not a bad position in a way. Big season a must for most or even all if they're expecting to be retained.

Oledzki and McDonnell are obvious keepers. In fact I'd be slightly worried if they aren't signed up by early in the new season in case they choose to check out the market at other clubs.

It is a good position plus I missed counted we actually have 7 off contract.

Definitely and hopefully Gannon and Holroyd stay injury free which should see them offered new deals.

Am I the only one who wouldn’t care one bit if Oledzki is released? I honestly don’t get the fascination with him, he’s crap.

I wouldn`t say he is crap and not long ago was playing for England.
I think injuries and pish poor forwards alongside him haven`t helped.
This for me is the testing season where he needs to deliver.
If he doesn`t then consider letting him go.
But he along with Holroyd, Lisone and Smith need a big season for sure.

Most (but not all) prop forwards come into their prime in their late 20s. Oledski is a good professional and I think we have good reason to keep faith in him after a few injury niggles in the last season or so.

If Oledski is deemed 'crap', none of our other front rowers are fit to wear the shirt, because they're all significantly inferior to him in different respects. There's improvement in him for sure, but calling him 'crap' is pretty pathetic and unnecessary.

Oledski needs to decide if he's going to be a Peacock style work horse or an impact prop. I would suggest the former is more likely and will mean he will get through a lot of work but won't make the headlines as it will often go unnoticed.

He's never going to be an impact prop, what he does really need is for his supporting cast to step up and then I hope we'll see him move up another level.

I was hoping that Lisone was going to be the next Kylie Leuluai when we signed him.
But judging him from what I have seen of him thus far,I think that he is over weight,very lazy and is also a flat track bully,
Id keep Big Mik over him without a doubt

I’m not sure why it’s pathetic and unnecessary as that’s just my opinion, like most on here who have a witch hunt against Bentley. Oledzki is just a plodder and a bit of a big pudding for a man his size. Same with Holroyd, every season people say ‘big year' but he’s another one that’s amounted to nothing.

Lisone is not great shakes, but he’ll fly out and try put a shot on or skittle a couple of defenders at least.

I'll be invested to see how Lisone goes following on from Brad's much-vaunted preseason beasting. The makings are there but he's definitely been keeping the spirit of Konrad alive up to now.

The whole pack will look completely different with a very different attitude/gameplan. The passive defence made all our forwards look soft. I don't know why people keep trying to deny it was a thing - the Leigh game, when the whole team was pumped, our defence was stood still in a line waiting for attackers the whole game through. It was also partly why when Arthur tried to change it up they couldn't sustain a more aggressive style for long, because they just weren't fit enough.

An off season focused on increased fitness and a completely different mindset among the forwards will show us which of the forwards are up to it and who isn't. I'm not entirely convinced on Oledzki, Holroyd or Lisone, but would be more than happy if they all take a big leap forward next year.

Given the look of our backline, we're also likely to have far more structure next year as well. Hall and Sivo could score a lot of tries if we can create openings, but that requires field position, as neither will score from a distance, and moves intended to create overlaps.