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42181_1527427546.jpg "I'm sorry, but I would hope that we would beat Cas with a 1 day turnaround."
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| Quote: sgtwilko "You've not seen enough to comment! But you did anyway?'"
To force an opinion if he will be buy of the season. I used to watch NRL regularly till 2015 but no so much since sadly.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Funny how when people adopt that same paragraph to Leeds' season they get shouted down as making excuses.'"
I agree.
Regards,
SPOTY & The Kiwis.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: William Eve "I agree.
Regards,
SPOTY & The Kiwis.'"
Funny how I wrote about those things with regards to the preseason preparation being an issue the day after the narrow opening day defeat to Warrington and people dismissed it because it was only a 2 point defeat that we could've won if Hardaker had landed those kicks. I think what followed then in the next few months with people saying the players don't look fit or ready for the season only strengthens what I wrote.
I didn't originally bring them up 8-10 games into the season when things were bad and for all we knew after that Warrington defeat we could've gone and won several games and then the issues I raised look pointless. I understand why some want to dismiss the preseason problem though and that's because they want the issue to be more serious because of their previous and continuous writing off of the club, players, coach, CEO so we have to pretend like that preseason wasn't damaging at all.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| I think most people on here accept the flooding at Kirkstall had an impact - the issue I have and many others on here is how the club coped with it and how they used it as an excuse when in reality the issues were far more fundamental than that.
By May the club should have sorted out the training/fitness/physio arrangements but the players still didn't look fit in fact that continued until the end of the season. The team didn't perform anywhere near its potential and the lack of coaching direction/excellence was masked by "events out of our control". Thankfully the injury issues were quoshed by Wigan performing as they did with equally severe injury issues.
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| The margin of difference between success
and failure in sport is 1%. If the work done in preseason is even marginally below where it needs to be that's hard to regain. Leeds and mcdermott have held their hands up to errors made in how they attempted to make up ground after a disrupted preseason.
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| but they never learnt from game to game. same mistakes every game
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| Quote: tad rhino "but they never learnt from game to game. same mistakes every game'"
That's the fundamentals that were off in preseason, like I said they have admitted they didn't make this ground up in the way they should by investing that time
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| I accept the pre season and planning part. that's fine.
the issue I have is they never learnt during the season. each game was a carbon copy of the previous one. did they not learn anything and change it for the following week? obviously no is the answer
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I think most people on here accept the flooding at Kirkstall had an impact - the issue I have and many others on here is how the club coped with it and how they used it as an excuse when in reality the issues were far more fundamental than that.
By May the club should have sorted out the training/fitness/physio arrangements but the players still didn't look fit in fact that continued until the end of the season.'"
The fitness work you do in preseason is much different to the work you can do when the season starts and you're playing games on a weekly basis. So much time after a game is spent on recovery and getting bodies right for the next game, much different to the fitness work that take place in preseason. Our senior players will have been the last ones back to preseason and thus had the shortest time of all so no wonder why they were the ones dropping like flies picking up injuries, playing with knocks and looking unfit whilst the likes of Lilley and Keinhorst who started weeks earlier had good seasons in the circumstances.
The idea some have that because we lost 3/4 weeks of preseason, we should be OK by Round 4 and have caught up by then is completely wrong because once you lose that time in preseason you never get it back. Players who got injured early in the year obviously couldn't get fit and a number of players clearly had knocks that will have seen limited/unable to train during the week and thus again not able to get their fitness up.
The thing is as well no one is saying they handled it as well as possible and they've even admitted they could've done this and that differently. But it's not something they've had to go through before and not something they should ever have to go through again hopefully. It's okay to say other clubs had injuries and didn't struggle like Leeds (Leeds has had injuries before and not struggled to last year's extent) but none of those clubs had a depleted preseason so not comparable.
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| Quote: tad rhino "I accept the pre season and planning part. that's fine.
the issue I have is they never learnt during the season. each game was a carbon copy of the previous one. did they not learn anything and change it for the following week? obviously no is the answer'"
I'm sure they knew full well where they were going wrong week to week, this game isn't overly complex. Knowing and doing though are 2 different things, their bodies and systems were not conditioned to that 1% differential, I'll reiterate again due to the issues in preseason. As printer said, you don't just get that time back otherwise the other teams could take 4 weeks off and be in the same place as leeds.
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40515_1330766741.jpg Don't worry about avoiding temptation.
As you grow older, it will avoid you!
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| Quote: sgtwilko "The point was purely about cas winning trophies it had nothing to do with another team. Including our own. Cas won't win trophies without a total transformation in defence.
If Gale was out as much as McGuire they would have been in a similar position to us.'"
Correct. And they won't have Dorn's attacking flair this year.
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40515_1330766741.jpg Don't worry about avoiding temptation.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "The fitness work you do in preseason is much different to the work you can do when the season starts and you're playing games on a weekly basis. So much time after a game is spent on recovery and getting bodies right for the next game, much different to the fitness work that take place in preseason. Our senior players will have been the last ones back to preseason and thus had the shortest time of all so no wonder why they were the ones dropping like flies picking up injuries, playing with knocks and looking unfit whilst the likes of Lilley and Keinhorst who started weeks earlier had good seasons in the circumstances.
The idea some have that because we lost 3/4 weeks of preseason, we should be OK by Round 4 and have caught up by then is completely wrong because once you lose that time in preseason you never get it back. Players who got injured early in the year obviously couldn't get fit and a number of players clearly had knocks that will have seen limited/unable to train during the week and thus again not able to get their fitness up.
The thing is as well no one is saying they handled it as well as possible and they've even admitted they could've done this and that differently. But it's not something they've had to go through before and not something they should ever have to go through again hopefully. It's okay to say other clubs had injuries and didn't struggle like Leeds (Leeds has had injuries before and not struggled to last year's extent) but none of those clubs had a depleted preseason so not comparable.'"
This is true and why comments were made about it being out of our control. Pre season fitness once lost can never be regained and perhaps why returning players looked so out of sorts.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "This is true and why comments were made about it being out of our control. Pre season fitness once lost can never be regained and perhaps why returning players looked so out of sorts.'"
Well McDermott said at the end of the season that several weeks into the season he considered doing a mini preseason instead of the regular training. Who knows if things would've been better had he taken that option but it clearly shows that preseason training and regular season training are different things and that the coach was considering trying to hold a preseason training period in mid season clearly shows that they weren't able to get in what they wanted to before the season started.
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| Thank goodness Leeds pre-season fitness regime this time around hasn't been disrupted like it was last year and the players are able to experience a proper and familiar gym, a proper and familiar training pitch along with access to proper and familiar training gear.
I cannot imagine how terrible it must have been for all the players last year having to use alien and unfamiliar gyms, alien and unfamiliar training pitches along with alien and unfamiliar training gear.
Let's also hope for some proper and familiar coaching in 2017 to make a welcome return along with proper and familiar performances and execution of plays by the players as well because all of that went missing last season too.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: William Eve "Thank goodness Leeds pre-season fitness regime this time around hasn't been disrupted like it was last year and the players are able to experience a proper and familiar gym, a proper and familiar training pitch along with access to proper and familiar training gear.
I cannot imagine how terrible it must have been for all the players last year having to use alien and unfamiliar gyms, alien and unfamiliar training pitches along with alien and unfamiliar training gear.
Let's also hope for some proper and familiar coaching in 2017 to make a welcome return along with proper and familiar performances and execution of plays by the players as well because all of that went missing last season too.'"
Do you mind letting people have a proper dicussion on here for once without your desperate need for attention piping in.
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