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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Of course the game has changed since the 60s / 70s but you were the one to use Ashton and Newlove etc as examples of large centres. I gave examples of smaller centres who were just as good.
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Back play has deteriorated in recent years and the policy, you seem to advocate, of choosing on physique rather that skill is one of the reasons for the decline.

A centre first and foremost should have the speed and ability to make breaks or half breaks and then have the awareness and ability to create space and offload to others. This means good feet, good hands and good rugby intelligence. Of course he has to defend but this does not mean he has to bve the size of a second rower.

So there is no reason a player the size of Golding or Walker cannot make a fine centre.

It is this obsession with size over skill especially in the development years that has failed to produce the Hepworth and Hardistys for the modern game. We have to make room for the smaller players who have pace and skills.'"


Didn't Newlove play in the 90's/2000's?

The game isn't just about attacking - the centre has to be able to tackle effectively - not easy to tackle a 16 stone juggernaut when you only weight 12/13 stone and are 6" shorter.

Even hookers are 6" and most half backs are 5'10"+ this is the modern game - players are bigger and stronger with just as much skill. In the older days the game was much slower so the players had the time - look at old games and see how slow it was - these players would not have the time to play the way they did - Im sure they would have adapted.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "
Even hookers are 6" '"


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Wow, Paul McShane must have grown a lot in his sleep last night... icon_biggrin.gif

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I think Rob Burrow's stint at hooker has brought the average height down.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Didn't Newlove play in the 90's/2000's?

The game isn't just about attacking - the centre has to be able to tackle effectively - not easy to tackle a 16 stone juggernaut when you only weight 12/13 stone and are 6" shorter.

Even hookers are 6" and most half backs are 5'10"+ this is the modern game - players are bigger and stronger with just as much skill. In the older days the game was much slower so the players had the time - look at old games and see how slow it was - these players would not have the time to play the way they did - Im sure they would have adapted.'"


Name the 6" hookers or even the 6' ones for that matter.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The game isn't what it was in the 60s/70s - There are only 2 centres in SL worth mentioning Watkins - who is the size of a second row and Percival who is almost as big.

In the NRL the centres the best ones in recent years
Lyon was not small but would not say he was the size of a second row Jennings is only about 5'10" Renouf was not big at all Tate was about 6',2" but slight.

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Quote: tad rhino "just thinking out loud really. for me walkers the best by a long way'"

if he is the best and a long way better than Golding, then we need to recruit a fullback, walker may come good but he is two years away from being good enough, showed that yesterdayl when he was on the field, nowhere to be seen for two of there trys and was left for dead by lineham, he has no pace whatsoever, the fact that last year Gareth Ellis tracked him down and tackled him in last years semis says a lot.

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Quote: Keiththered "Name the 6" hookers or even the 6' ones for that matter.'"


Daryl Clarke?
Roby is 5'11"
Parcell is 5'11"
Cameron Smith 5'11"

Do you need anymore?

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Quote: rollin thunder "Lyon was not small but would not say he was the size of a second row Jennings is only about 5'10" Renouf was not big at all Tate was about 6',2" but slight.'"


Lyon is 6ft, Renouf was 5'11"

Jennings is a solid as most second row forwards he weighs 96kgs

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Daryl Clarke?
Roby is 5'11"
Parcell is 5'11"
Cameron Smith 5'11"

Do you need anymore?'"


Three out of a possible 24 in SL.

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Quote: Keiththered "Three out of a possible 24 in SL.'"


Just happened to be 3 of the best and the best of all time

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Just happened to be 3 of the best and the best of all time'"


Maybe but the don’t make the point you were trying to make

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Lyon is 6ft, Renouf was 5'11"

Jennings is a solid as most second row forwards he weighs 96kgs'"

but none of them would have been considered a natural second row size or a natural second rower would they. they were always natural three quarters, Francis cumming was just shy of 6'2" and about 14st but you would never think of him as a second rower.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Didn't Newlove play in the 90's/2000's?

The game isn't just about attacking - the centre has to be able to tackle effectively - not easy to tackle a 16 stone juggernaut when you only weight 12/13 stone and are 6" shorter.

Even hookers are 6" and most half backs are 5'10"+ this is the modern game - players are bigger and stronger with just as much skill. In the older days the game was much slower so the players had the time - look at old games and see how slow it was - these players would not have the time to play the way they did - Im sure they would have adapted.'"


I disagree that current SL players are as skillful, and Burrow showed that height does not matter if your tackling technique is good

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Daryl Clarke?
Roby is 5'11"
Parcell is 5'11"
Cameron Smith 5'11"

Do you need anymore?'"


You only named one 6ft hooker. Please name some of the others please

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