Dreadful coaching and dreadfully indisciplined performances notwitstanding, none of that will matter a jot after next week because Leeds will be playing Crusaders (again! yawn), Bradford, Hull KR, Hull FC (twice), Salford, Catalan, Harlequins and Wakefield with only a demanding and testing SL fixture against Wigan sandwiched in-between.

That's the beauty of SL... a team like Leeds can be crap most weeks but it doesn't matter because they aren't tested every week and will still win most games by default.

Leeds will finish 5th at worst.

Leeds will more than likely finish 5th at best too.

Will Leeds beat a team above them in any competition this season?

The table as it stands now I would be happy with 5th and don't agree with you Keith on 5th being the lowest place we can finish.

no

We beat cas when they were above us!!

On the evidence so far this season, not a chance......As an interested neutral, I must admit I was always baffled by the appointment of McDermott. It smacked at the time of a short-term move and from the results so far, its beginning to look like that is how it will end up.

I don't think he's particularly helped by having Jimmy Lowes by his side.....It all looks like small-time novices running a big business.

Get a good coach in, revamp your squad (you have a lot of dead wood at present) and with your support you will be fine.

That remains to be seen. The possibilities are:

St Helens NEUTRAL
Wigan AWAY
CC Semi Final NEUTRAL
Huddersfield AWAY
Week 2 of SL Play Offs AWAY

Next week is a good opportunity. St Helens are ravaged by injuries, despite the fact their fans don't appear to be relentlessly whinging about those circumstances as much as Leeds fans.

Your perception of Leeds current position in the SL pecking order must be lower than mine then.

I don't believe Leeds have quite yet sunk to the low depths of mediocrity inhabited by those who are just making up the numbers. They do appear to have become potential whipping boys against the genuine SL competition however.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that we have the two tier league within SL this season, and Leeds are currently well entrenched in the second tier of the league. I agree that the highest we can finish this season is 5th, and that it's likely that we will, but I can also see us finishing as low as 7th. It's a shame really when you consider where we were only 18 months ago.

We are suffering badly for GH taking his eye off the ball, and he has a lot of work to do now to get us back up to the higher end of SL, starting with putting the right coach in place for the next few years. There is no salary cap for coaching, and Leeds as a club have the highest turnover of any SL club, so we should be able to attract the best coaches in the world. It's time to prove that we have the desire...

Agree fully with the above post. Think we will probably finish 5th but could quite easily drop down further

I'd be very surprised to see Leeds finish lower than 5th. Prior to the Warrington game they won 6 on the bounce against the rubbish despite playing like rubbish themselves. Leeds still have 9 games to play against the rubbish and I cannot envisage them losing more than one of them... or two at worst. That will comfortably see Leeds finish 5th.



I've never been of the opinion that the current coach is the right man for the job. However, some of the influential players at the club whose opinions have clout behind the scenes (including the highly influential skipper) all like him, and until that changes he's here to stay.

If the gates drop, and therefore the income drops, it won't matter a jot what the highly influential skipper (and others) think of the coach. GH will act, as he won't have a choice if he want's to keep the tills ringing.

FWIW, I wouldn't change the coach now, but I would at the end of the season even if I had to "persuade" a club to part with their current coach. Compare the quality of the coaches at Warrington, Wigan and Huddersfield with those at Leeds. Fix that and you are halfway to solving the overall problem. The other half rests with the players.