The total opposite to Saints then

after the recent relegation haunting seasons I will be happy to be challenging for top 5 with no threat of the drop . I am being realistic by thinking we wont be challenging for top 2 for awhile yet and when we eventually do I don't think we will be winning 8 GFs and all the other trophies like in the glory period weve recently witnessed .

This season i was hoping for 6-7 and being in play off contention.

So 8 was ine place out, but unfortunately fighting threat of relegation.

4-5 and in the play offs next season to make up for last two awful seasons. Want nothing less.

I have no idea what to expect from Leeds anymore so I pretty much expect nothing right now.

In terms of what I would like to see that is realistic, avoid relegation, be in the mix for a playoff spot, not lose to a lower league team in the cup and see the youngsters progress. All should be realistic but honestly, who knows.

I think (well hope) they might surprise us a bit next tear, one thing Agar does seem to have brought in is a lot of team soorit, but that only gets you so far...

It totally depends on what we bring in. Can't judge anything until then.

Stay as we are currently, and we will not finish any different to what we have. Possibly lower, considering others have strengthened already, and we don't have the benefit of London next year. Strengthn ourselves and we should move up a couple of spots. But it would take some conisderable changes to get us to the level the top five will be at next season. Hopefully we take those considerable changes, and I do think Gale and McLelland will be a big upgrade for us.

Agreed

London we're not of any benefit this year (for us I mean not the competition), quite the opposite!

Don’t agree mate on this one. We are a young side and I’d expect Newman, Walker, Handley, Smith, Oledzki to show improvement next season. Holroyd, Johnson and one or two others will be making appearances too.

Lui, Ava and Martin are all new starting 13 players, which we didn’t have most of last season and all made a difference when they came in.

The side that begins 2020 will IMO be superior to the one that started this year, even without the additional signing or two I’m expecting (and Mellor confirmed).

We do need some more surgery if we’re going to really challenge again, and I think the younger lads will need to be near their career peak which they won’t be at 19/20/21.

The club clearly needs to lick its wounds, regather and put in a big pre-season - but just one or two new signings and I think we’ll be OK. The squad we’ll start next year with is very different from the McD era end and we are in better shape, without me papering over the cracks.

I wouldn’t even try to guess precisely where we’ll finish next year but I’d expect we will be a club not in danger of relegation and showing signs of moving forward with the talent we have coming through.

Had we appointed a proven quality coach I would have said top 5 without a doubt. Even without any signings I'd have said it.

With Agar I'm not so certain.

Yes they were. We took four points off them. Without them we would have been relegated.

Or had they have performed like expected and not won 10 games we would have been safe a lot earlier, anyway it's all a bit pointless as we don't know yet who is coming up and how well they will fair

A proven quality coach is not a guarantee of anything, Tony smith went to Hull KR and nearly got them relegated, Justin Holbrook had never been a first team coach and has got Saints above and beyond anyone else in the league, our most successful coach was not proven quality.

If we stick with the current squad of players then I'd expect 5th to 8th depending of form, injuries and that of the clubs around us. Better than that would be great and an overacheivement, worse and we need to be looking at wide scale changes again I'm afraid.

With new players in, who knows it would depend on who they are.

I'm not sure there's any evidence that without a couple of quality players we're likely to compete with the best. We look more solid but that's about it. The win against a post cc wire was nice but proved nothing.