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Initially I was against summer rugby but by and large I am reasonably happy with the summer format.
Like several other posters on here I am not enamoured with the rugby I have observed over the last few seasons.
My main complaint is the obsession with statistics ,any reasonable criticism of a player and people refer you to his documented stats . One thing for certain is the lack of general talent/skill , you don't see many players with the ability to side step. Most of the centre threequarters don't have the ability to draw a man and pass. Hence briscoe wandering up and down the touch line like a lost soul.
Maybe the modern coaches are obsessed with territory. Or is it the modern trend of players playing in several different positions. The hooker scenario with burrow springs to mind. This I have always thought to be bizarre in the extreme.
As for our season we managed to motivate ourselves for two games, the wire semi- final and cas at wembly.
The rest of the season was poor. I am not sure how anybody expects us to win anything next season with virtually the same squad of players who will be a year older.

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I assume this thread is a joke. Hard to tell on here these days.

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Try watching the borefests served up by the football leagues and the international game last night. Rugby League even at its worst will never get anywhere near as bad as that, the only reason its the 'national game' is because of the hype, money and exposure.

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Quote: Seth "Try watching the borefests served up by the football leagues and the international game last night. Rugby League even at its worst will never get anywhere near as bad as that, the only reason its the 'national game' is because of the hype, money and exposure.'"

Quite correct, after twenty minutes of watching the England match I decided to take the dog for a walk.
Much more rewarding .

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: GARFORTH LAD "s played in the Rugby League heartlands'"


Quote: GARFORTH LAD "Get rid of Catalan !!!!'"


Rugby League has been played in the south of France since the 1930s. How much more 'heartland' do you want?

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You gave up your season ticket 5 years ago due to Leeds being boring? When Leeds finished top of the table and won the Grand Final for the 3rd time in a row?

That seems rather strange behaviour.
Maybe you've become bored by Leeds' success and now expect Leeds to win nearly every game fairly easily. So now anything other than that is a disappointment.

FWIW I do think the sport was better to watch 10 years ago (in general) as defences weren't as good and there were spaces and gaps for quick players to take advantage of, along with fewer players in the tackle so much more scope for offloads.

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Quote: Backwoodsman "Initially I was against summer rugby but by and large I am reasonably happy with the summer format.
Like several other posters on here I am not enamoured with the rugby I have observed over the last few seasons.
My main complaint is the obsession with statistics ,any reasonable criticism of a player and people refer you to his documented stats . One thing for certain is the lack of general talent/skill , you don't see many players with the ability to side step. Most of the centre threequarters don't have the ability to draw a man and pass. Hence briscoe wandering up and down the touch line like a lost soul.
Maybe the modern coaches are obsessed with territory. Or is it the modern trend of players playing in several different positions. The hooker scenario with burrow springs to mind. This I have always thought to be bizarre in the extreme.
As for our season we managed to motivate ourselves for two games, the wire semi- final and cas at wembly.
The rest of the season was poor. I am not sure how anybody expects us to win anything next season with virtually the same squad of players who will be a year older.'"


Several valid points here.
We all want our game to thrive, don't we?

I agree about the obsession with statistics - they are a curse of our modern world!
Relying on computers is what has brought us all to our knees about so-called "Global Warming"
Predictions constructed from the past can never be accurate - the past is history and will never happen again. I suppose it gives employment to boring old has-beens (eg Phil Clarke) with his visual preposterous predictions and meaningless block diagrams.
Like the Met Office, Clark is rarely right. (Same disease)

The Leeds plight has been created by this very over-reliance on the past - it is nothing short of disgraceful that we go on doing the same thing and expecting different results, with the same players who have steadily been wearing out and are now well past their best.
This points out a dire need for a new coach, doesn't it?

Leeds used to be famous for their nursery, "A" team and youth development.
Now, because they almost never get a game in the first team, we are gradually losing them.
A new coach who isn't afraid to take risks is the answer.
I hate the Arch-Thug Shaun Wane and all he stands for in the win-at-any-price culture, but you have to admit he is skilled at bringing on brilliant young players! This in turn attracts the talent that knows there is a good chance of getting games in the top-flight.

As for the training ethic, do we not live in the age of specialists?
What on earth drives some coaches to attempt to produce "Utility Backs" and "Utility Forwards"?
Teaching the unique skills needed in each position takes time, effort and capability and, once they are learned, polishing these skills as diamonds rather than rocks can produce real stars, to beat the Aussies, Kiwis, etc...
Skills as mentioned by Backwoodsman like the art of sidestepping, drawing the man etc simply have to be learnt and practiced until they become second nature. Playing men out of position and expecting them to do a different job just doesn't work.

McDermot has produced a side of rocks, rearranging them to his own taste, and watching them get steadily worn down. This has given us a recipe for ultimate failure.
We will not start winning again until a fresh new coach is given his head by Gary Hetherington, together witha loosening of his tight purse-strings!

As far as the desired thriving of our great game, the sooner that thye fat fraud, Nigel Wood and his parichial-minded cohorts are removed, the better in my opinion.

Rant over - resign yourselves to more of the same next year I suppose...

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I have read with interest the points raised by other posters on this subject. I do not take issue that France is a Rugby League heartland, however the French should play the French in France, they are just a bunch of journeyman Aussies. As for the poster that suggests we don't want to watch Featherstone with 3000 other souls, why not, I have seen some great matches at Post Office Road. Why must we expand? why? look at the gates this year, they have been down year on year for the last few years.
I accept that I am against the tide, I do not think my views will prevail, but I hope others see value in some of my points.
It will take a lot to get me back to the game, I miss the biff, I miss the skill, I miss the characters and the fact that different teams played different ways, but most of all I miss standing on a packed terrace after a couple of pints watching my heroes take on local rivals.

Whilst the game looks to expand, looks for more corporate sponsors, and new partners, puts all its efforts into being inclusive and offending no one, whilst not investing in skill ability and risk taking, then I for one will not be taking my place on the terraces.
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Quote: GARFORTH LAD "
Whilst the game looks to expand, looks for more corporate sponsors, and new partners, puts all its efforts into being inclusive and offending no one, whilst not investing in skill ability and risk taking, then I for one will not be taking my place on the terraces.

Can you please try to explain to me why being inclusive (by which I assume you mean wanting people other than heterosexual, white men to attend games without having to listen to a load of abuse) has to be mutually exclusive of investing in skill and ability? I think most people would agree on the need for the latter, but I can't see a single reason why not allowing racism, homophobia and bigotry on the field prevents that. Having more sponsors also doesn't prevent that. There might be a possible causal argument for expansion diluting investment in heartlands areas.

To be absolutely honest, since I have no doubt you were on the same terraces as me pre-Super League, how often were they packed? Boxing Day maybe? Occasionally when Wigan were in town?

We used to play touch rugby on the old scoreboard end where the Carnegie is now during some home matches in the 90s. My first away match was at Odsal in the early 90s with about 4500 in attendance.

The good times you're remembering died before the game went full time. And as much as I enjoyed my early years on the terraces in many ways, some of the bilge that got directed at the likes of Carl Gibson, Martin Offiah and Ellery Hanley I could well have done without and it wouldn't have spoiled my enjoyment.

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Quote: GARFORTH LAD "I have read with interest the points raised by other posters on this subject. I do not take issue that France is a Rugby League heartland, however the French should play the French in France, they are just a bunch of journeyman Aussies. As for the poster that suggests we don't want to watch Featherstone with 3000 other souls, why not, I have seen some great matches at Post Office Road. Why must we expand? why? look at the gates this year, they have been down year on year for the last few years.
I accept that I am against the tide, I do not think my views will prevail, but I hope others see value in some of my points.
It will take a lot to get me back to the game, I miss the biff, I miss the skill, I miss the characters and the fact that different teams played different ways, but most of all I miss standing on a packed terrace after a couple of pints watching my heroes take on local rivals.

Whilst the game looks to expand, looks for more corporate sponsors, and new partners, puts all its efforts into being inclusive and offending no one, whilst not investing in skill ability and risk taking, then I for one will not be taking my place on the terraces.

So basically, you want 'local rugby, for local people' (but with an improvement in quality). Maybe if there was 'mandatory rugby league training' enforced on all kids between the ages of say 9-14, in the future you'd get this. However, for the end rest you want (ie. an increase in quality) with the tactics outlined (ie. no increase in quantity / geography of towns / cities with teams) you have no chance at the moment.

Re. 'the French just playing the French' - I am not entirely sure what you mean. If you mean they should play in a French RL league - maybe they should, but then that'd be shooting the potential of 'English SL' and 'French RL' in the foot somewhat. If (as I fear) you mean that only French players should play in French teams in France, then why shouldn't that apply to other places? Oh wait - as outlined before, because you essentially would have to artifically manufacture a set of circumstances essentially forcing people to play, thus improving the overall standard of those playing.

Plus, with your 'keep it local' argument, the likes of Fev, 'Fax and even Cas would be looking to select a 'quality 17' predominantly from an eligble local population (ie. males aged 16-40) of what... maybe 20,000 at most? Then bear in mind how many of those might actually play some form of RL and be in physical shape (rather than overweight / obese knuckle-draggers) then your 'ideal model' is doomed!

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Let's just call it UKIP league.

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Quote: GARFORTH LAD "The first thing the game needs to do is to get back on track, lets get back to local derby's played in the Rugby League heartlands, Featherstone Leigh, Hunslet, Whitehaven, Halifax etc, places you can drive to in an hour. Get rid of London, Wales, Catalan !!!!'"


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Yes, London and Catalans too but no-one need go to those if they don't wish to. I've heard and read many reasons why RL isn't in the shape it might be but a lack of local derbies and too much travelling slightly stretches credulity.

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You can drive to Whitehaven in an hour.

From Cockermouth or Kendal.

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Quote: El Diablo "You can drive to Whitehaven in an hour.

From Cockermouth or Kendal.'"


I doubt you could even do it from Kendal in an hour!

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Quote: Clearwing "I doubt you could even do it from Kendal in an hour!'"


No you couldn't actually. Probably nearer 2 (given you'd either have to go via Shap and Cockermouth or pick your way round past Barrow).

Millom then?

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