Agree pretty much with what has already been said.
Whilst it is right to applaud the pass Barba made we are overlooking how skillful Richardson is not only to hold his nerve to kick the two from the touchline but his switching of play to put Percival in.
My only other comment is on Suttcliffe who we have tried as half back, full back, centre and loose forward and he has failed in all those positions. Had he not come through the ranks do you think we would have got rid by now?
I actually think back row could be his best position if he is brave enough. Failing that and if he puts on another 20 kg we could try him at prop.

Dont think suttcliffes failed at , he played well there through the end of last season, when he got a few consecutive games there, then he got the 4 shirt and barley played there this season through injury to himself ahd covering for others. I like him at but think we need him more in the second row going forward.

Exactly, why is others not seeing this. We played like that because of players missing. It is not a case of bodies back and we improve. That was our top level last night. Just missed the game management side only.

Stats from the game. The stats confirmed what most have said already. Parcel, Garbutt, Hall, Curhbertson-immense. Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves. www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857

Stats from the game. The stats confirmed what most have said already. Parcel, Garbutt, Hall, Curhbertson-immense. Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves. www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857

I think we (Saints) have looked “vulnerable” in the two games because we have come up against teams who have for one reason or another played us in a gear higher than they have all year. Saints only really found that gear in the semi last year vs Cas, but teams weren’t really gunning for us in the same way.

Leeds (and Hull) played with a clear backs to the wall game plan with extra nothing to lose mentality (or everything to lose in Hulls case) and looked good for the freedom it brought. Throw in a lot more of the injured players and you start to lose some of that. Not saying more players back wouldn’t be better but I don’t think it’s as cut and dry (see Cas vs Warrington).

One thing we are missing is Walmsley as we just couldn’t match Leeds’ size last night.

moaning about a back-up half back not making more hit ups?
gotta love our fans

No. What is odd is to say we would play like that, and improve with a Delaney, JJB, Keinhorst, Lilley, Singleton, Goulding, and Ablett in there.

If you look at my posts I have already said exactly the same as you on Watkins, Ward, and Myler, with out the sillyness you have in assuming Watkins would fill both centre spots. But people are more referring to the first group of missing, players whom are slower.

Or I'm saying Watkins to one centre spot and Sutcliffe back to his centre spot with Myler at half

I dont think its odd to say Singleton, JJB or Ablett would improve the team over Ormondroyd and Walters, given that we have seen time and time again what they can do in big games and playoffs.
Just because you dont rate Keinhorst doesnt mean he wouldnt have been an improvement over Newman yesterday who was getting suck in on defence and missed 8 tackles

Exactly right on Sutcliffe, being passed from pillar to post at the minute due to injuries so not his fault imo.
I dont think its coincidence that we looked most dangerous with Cuthbo at 13 alongside two other props - McDermott clearly wants this i think but injuries have prevented it from happening too many times this season

Add myler, singo oledski and ward, and i think thats our best side (excluding players out for season) said for a ling time we cant have JJb ablett Delaney all in same side at same side.

Yeah, Cuthbertsons deffinatly best used at 13 for me. If we ever get everyone fit, id like to see a pack/bench of

Prop - Garbutt
Hooker - Parcell
Prop - Singleton
S Row - Ward
S Row - Suttcliffe
Loose - Cuthbertson
Sub - Dwyer
Sub - Peteru
Sub - Oledzki/Mullally
Sub - Smith

Think that would offer us a bit of everything a pack needs. Size, power, skill and athleticism. Pretty good age and a good base to go into nxt season with, hopefully with a Second Rower and Prop signed to add to them.

The thing is, it's not an isolated occurrence. Whenever he plays at 6 he just doesn't get involved enough. He has the ability, but I'm not sure he was has the belief or the desire to progress as a player.

Great game last night, a pleasure to watch, sometimes as fans we over analyse, and it distorts what we have seen, fabulous entertainment, well done Leeds & Saints.