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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"It's almost like you've got an agenda.'"
He has and it's tedious.
His performance today wasn't anything special but he did ok, yet as usual whenever he plays regardless of whether it's an improved showing like today or he gets limited minutes you know the same poster will be straight on and it'll be one of if not the first thing he mentions about the whole game slagging him off.
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| Quote son of headingley="son of headingley"To be fair, I can see both sides of the Walters argument. Today he was good & will probably get a high OPTA tackle count. However, if you were there you will have seen a guy with tremendous heart & effort, but falling off the tackle on many occasions, which could prove fatal against a decent side. I was pleased for him that he got his try at the end & hope he gains some confidence from this, but (as has been alluded to) he is, at best, a filler. Considering some of the comments about our youth teams on this site, I don't think there will be much opportunity for him in the coming years.
As for Cam Smith, I think he had a great game today.
PS. Myler could be a gem.'"
OPTA recorded that Walters made 57 meaningful tackles with 16 marker tackles that tell you he was first in on many and then made consecutive follow up tackles. He made 14 carries and was our equal best for tackle busts and one of only two to make a clean break. With two offloads (also top), a try and no errors this backed up McD's assessment of an outstanding performance for Walters.
Cameron Smith was our second highest for tackles with 45 and marker tackles with 9 and also made 14 carries.
These are impressive KPIs for two young fringe players who have stepped up after getting a lot of criticism and on the back of other recent good performances they deserve the credit when due.
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| Quote TOMCAT="TOMCAT"I'm Kind of thinking / hoping that D4mo78 has his tongue firmly in his cheek'"
Thanks Tomcat. I was taking the pee out of the amount of times we've have must win games already
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| Impressive stats from Walters and Cam Smith those. Jeez.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"OPTA recorded that Walters made 57 meaningful tackles with 16 marker tackles that tell you he was first in on many and then made consecutive follow up tackles. He made 14 carries and was our equal best for tackle busts and one of only two to make a clean break. With two offloads (also top), a try and no errors this backed up McD's assessment of an outstanding performance for Walters.
Cameron Smith was our second highest for tackles with 45 and marker tackles with 9 and also made 14 carries.
These are impressive KPIs for two young fringe players who have stepped up after getting a lot of criticism and on the back of other recent good performances they deserve the credit when due.'"
I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statements:
Today he was good & will probably get a high OPTA tackle count. However, if you were there you will have seen a guy with tremendous heart & effort, but falling off the tackle on many occasions, which could prove fatal against a decent side.
If Carlsberg did OPTA stats, they would probably add a column for "Falling off tackles"...
Look, as I stated, I think he had a good game with lots of heart & effort. He has really stepped up for us during our "injury crisis".
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| Quote son of headingley="son of headingley"I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statements:
Today he was good & will probably get a high OPTA tackle count. However, if you were there you will have seen a guy with tremendous heart & effort, but falling off the tackle on many occasions, which could prove fatal against a decent side.
If Carlsberg did OPTA stats, they would probably add a column for "Falling off tackles"...
Look, as I stated, I think he had a good game with lots of heart & effort. He has really stepped up for us during our "injury crisis".'"
I maybe wrong but I don't think OPTA count it as a tackle unless it was effective. I am not sure what you define as falling off tackles as if it was ineffective OPTA would record it as a missed tackle and against Salford Walters made 3 missed tackles.
So 57 tackles and 3 misses is hardly "falling off the tackle on many occasions" You may recall he made 38 tackles against the big Hull pack not so long ago coming off the bench.
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| To be fair Walters did as much if not more than some of our experienced players yesterday and you cannot ask for any more than that.
Again Myler did well as did the whole team who got us the 2 points.
Wakefield will be another step up from Salford and we could do with one or two of our props back by then but guess that will only be Mullalley.
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| Quote D4mo78="D4mo78"Thanks Tomcat. I was taking the pee out of the amount of times we've have must win games already'"
My bad, should have read previous comments.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"I maybe wrong but I don't think OPTA count it as a tackle unless it was effective. I am not sure what you define as falling off tackles as if it was ineffective OPTA would record it as a missed tackle and against Salford Walters made 3 missed tackles.
So 57 tackles and 3 misses is hardly "falling off the tackle on many occasions" You may recall he made 38 tackles against the big Hull pack not so long ago coming off the bench.'"
I trust my own eyes more than someone else's.
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| Quote son of headingley="son of headingley"I trust my own eyes more than someone else's.'"
We only see what we want to see and often our prejudices can get in the way.
The coach rated Walters performance as "outstanding" while Gotcha thought his performances a "joke" So eyes are not always reliable whereas the stats usually do not lie.
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| Because of the critics on here, I paid a bit more attention to Walters yesterday, and my eyes thought he turned in a fine performance. He worked hard, made no obvious errors and took his try very well. Fair play to him.
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| Quote Juan Cornetto="Juan Cornetto"We only see what we want to see and often our prejudices can get in the way.
The coach rated Walters performance as "outstanding" while Gotcha thought his performances a "joke" So eyes are not always reliable whereas the stats usually do not lie.'"
What about the eyes of the OPTA stat man? The "usually true" stats are compiled from someone's eyes, are they not?
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