I was rounding down to the nearest whole number.

That's not counting the millions we're paying him in used fivers in a carrier bag that doesn't go through the accounts or the cap auditor.

Is it really just me that likes having two top class hookers and doesn't feel the need to constantly play them off against each other?

If I had to pick a favourite, I'd go with the guy who has picked up 4 SL winners medals for the club, and scored the opening try in 2 of those finals, and picked up the Harry Sunderland trophy. But I don't have to pick a favourite. I think they're both among the best hookers in the country. I reckon that's a pretty good thing for the club.

On an only slightly related subject, I wonder if I'm also alone in thinking Diskin's service from dummy half has been generally rather quicker and more accurate of late? That little pause between pick up and delivery (which was basically my only criticism of the guy) seems to have disappeared. Could be my imagination.

Great shout

Sorry don't agree.

You seem to have a blind spot with Buderus. His pedigree is top drawer you don't captain Australia and your State of Origin side without being one of the very top players in the world. Sure you can argue we should not have signed him as we had Diskin and McShane but that is water well under the bridge and not his fault.

Even you admit he is class. He was unfortunate to get a serious injury which has restricted his opportunites with Leeds. But he is a Leeds player and without doubt our best hooker. We look sharper with him on the field and he certainly is one of our most influencial players. It is churlish to admit otherwise.

Against Wigan he scored a crucial try and along with another favourite of yours, Mr Eastwood, helped turn the game around. You don't seem to see that his very presence has a positive effect on the side and his passing is so much sharper from the ruck than Diskin and his defence is superb.

Diskin gives his share of penalties away so that is not an excuse you can use to for not playing him as first choice and for most of the match.

By the way who was it that passed from a PTB behind Hall and gave Wigan a scoring chance in the 2nd half? Was it Diskin or was it Buderus?

Sorry don't agree.

You seem to have a blind spot with Buderus. His pedigree is top drawer you don't captain Australia and your State of Origin side without being one of the very top players in the world. Sure you can argue we should not have signed him as we had Diskin and McShane but that is water well under the bridge and not his fault.

Even you admit he is class. He was unfortunate to get a serious injury which has restricted his opportunites with Leeds. But he is a Leeds player and without doubt our best hooker. We look sharper with him on the field and he certainly is one of our most influencial players. It is churlish to admit otherwise.

Against Wigan he scored a crucial try and along with another favourite of yours, Mr Eastwood, helped turn the game around. You don't seem to see that his very presence has a positive effect on the side and his passing is so much sharper from the ruck than Diskin and his defence is superb.

Diskin gives his share of penalties away so that is not an excuse you can use to for not playing him as first choice and for most of the match.

By the way who was it that passed from a PTB behind Hall and gave Wigan a scoring chance in the 2nd half? Was it Diskin or was it Buderus?

That was Diskin..... why do you ask.

Buderus was very influential on Sunday. Being in position for Eastwood's offload started the Leeds recovery, great awareness by both world class players. The ground he covered to even get in support and the effort to almost force his way over on the play prior to Hall's try (prompting Hemmings to rightly credit Wigan's defence, they had to work to keep him out.) The service to Sinfield to enable the match winning score.

Without Buderus I doubt Leeds would have found a way back into a game they were being overrun in early doors.

Thank you DHM.

It seems I am being accused of an agenda but those answering my question fail to explain Buderus' major influence on the game and simply bag Diskin. Those with an agenda are making it all too obvious.

All I need is a simple explanation of why he was a major influence because, IMO, he wasn't. In fact, the majority of his input was negative, as I have highlighted.

It's not me slating Buderus to say he wasn't a major influence. It's simply a reflection of his actual performance. The major influences being Webb, Eastwood, McGuire and Burrow.

What can't his fanboys simply, and objectively, recognise that?

All you had to do was look at the last post before posting this. But you chose to ignore it, as tvoc put something better than anybody else, that even anyone with an agenda could not dissagree with.

i like diskin as a player and he will fo down as a great player in the clubs history. Nothing against him i just happen to believe buderus is a far better player and a bigger influence on the field

You're right, he is.

Diskin has done very well for Leeds over the years, but Buderus is clearly a better player.

I'd add Sinfield to that list.

I know, I was getting there (see above)

If it's all the same to you, I will disagree with it (TVOCs post) and I'll respond to posts in any order I choose.

Oh, and all you had to do was answer in the manner DHM and TVOC did rather than furthering your own petty agenda and the discussion would have taken a much higher road.

HTH.

I wouldn't disagree.

Like most weeks there's usually three or four player with a much larger influence on the outcome of our matches than Buderus. That comment will infuriate his fanboys but i can't help it. It's entirely factual.

That's fine, but then in future you should refrain from posting a sentence like this.





Which is why I said this



And I don't have no agenda. I only comment on what's happened the previous game or a succession if it is consistent. Unlike you I don't start threads and wade in with my size 10's just to have a go at individual players.

You had a perfectly reasonable response from tvoc which you accept was reasonable. The fact you dissagree is your problem. It doesn't need me to point out any petty agenda's, everyone works that out for themselves.

HTH