Were you even at wembley on saturday? If you were then you would have noticed that the overwhelming majority of fans from both clubs were well behaved and there for the whole experiance of a CC final. You must have seen quite a fair bit of bar action yourself during the game, as you seem to have an in depth knowledge of numbers. I think if you had paid a visit to the leed's end you would have found a fair amount of daytrippers there aswell. To refer to us all as "fancy dress wearing, off-their-face, band wagon chaser's" is well wide of the mark.

For someone who only joined last week you're not yet in a position to go throwing your weight around, especially on the Leeds board.

HTH

A lad at work yesterday was saying that some of the rhinos fans involved were from east end park as he had met up with them on saturday night in London.

Aint throwing any weight around. Merely defending the thousands who enjoyed a good day out. Long time lurker who only started posting last week. yes.

I didn't visit the bar once but you couldn't help noticing a constant stream of Wire fans hitting the concourse and/or returning to their seats with those beer carriers. I also wish I had a pound for everyone of them who found their way into our section only to realise several rows down that they were in the wrong place (unlike most of the women who deliberately opted for the male toilets at Northampton and Gateway Services).

Find me 20% of those at Wembley (10% among the face-painted tutu brigade) who watched you at Wilderspool and I'll retract the band-waggon dig.

Leeds/neutrals in the Wire end will notice a lot of drunken wire supporters just as Wire/neutral in the leeds end will have noticed a lot of drunken Leeds supporters. MOST of these drunken supporters will have been good natured out for a good day. All decent FANS will have deplored the actions of the mindless minority at the game and will hope that action can be taken against those involved. Didnt see it all so will make no comment about the incident itself but given the nature/location etc of the event Im sure there will be plenty of evidence as to waht happened. The one consistent that is coming our of both sides of the equation is that part of the problem was a mixture of fans and alcohol. Whilst I am fully in favour of mixing fans (had some great banter with other fans) personally alcohol at the game is not a necessity.

Here endeth my 2pennyworth. (30 year wire supporter even going back to wilderspool days , no tutu, no facepaint but shirt scarf flag cuddly toy accompanied by 3 members of family two of whom watched at wilderspool, one is a season ticker holders and had facepaint and one (aged 12) at her first game (and who actually commented that the fighters were pillocks)....if you wont withdraw the comment will you please acknowledge...as I have done here..... we aint all like that)

Absolutely well put. When we moved into the HJ in 2004 a lot of people who never went to wilderspool started to regularly attend matches. smoking monkey im sure you will agree that this is a good thing for RL. Im also sure you'll agree about the people who caused the trouble are scum, no matter which part of the country they are from.

Translation: Now that Wire are semi successful I'll pretend I've always supported them.

RE : bandwagon chasing ..

Is it acceptable for somebody to have a brother who once played for his home town , but has moved about a bit around (eg.)SL clubs , to switch allegiances as and when he switches clubs ?
I can undertand the 'supporting my brother' bit . But switching clubs when he does is surely not right .
Would it also be acceptable for the sibling to revert to supporting the home-town team when the brother eventually hangs up his boots ?

i like going to warrington but always remember how they wrecked bramley's ground , wasn't that much to start with

Bramley's ground . The memories I have of that place begin when I was around 8 yrs old and we used to sneak in through a gap in the fence on the Daisy end , to my later memories of having an advertising hoarding behind the sticks at the same end and a membership card that allowed four people in .. The gents 'toilets' were very similar to those at Saints . Actually , the whole place wasn't that much worse than KR . I had my 18th birthday party in MacLaren Field bar .

why the name change from ls13

I went to the Leeds v Saints semi final at Huddersfield this year. the so called rival fans were scrapping in wetherspoons at 1.30pm. It was a proper punch up aswell, claret and all. Not having a go at Leeds but there seems to be a pattern forming!