Nothing more than the RL "family of supporters" cashing in on our current predicament. I hope.

Unless Gary is negotiating for Craig Bellamy or Ivan Cleary to come over then its about time he issued an apology for the performance's and told us how he intends rectifying it.
He's had a few days now to come up with an apology or statement and its disrespectful to the fans.

I know Hetherington's tool of last resort is the open letter but when did fans start clamouring for it, demanding they get an apology? It's just weird.

Very weird! Like crying babies, they need to get a grip!

Plus he’s done that many of them now they’re rendered meaningless and do nothing, it’s like an annual thing now.

You’re going to do a root and branch review are you? Sure you are, and we’ll still be sheeite next season.

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On this I do agree. There is nothing to be gained. We know how we feel as fans. They know how we feel. No doubt they're feeling the same.

Jeez we are scraping the barrel with the suggestion of John Kear.
We could also ask Brian Noble to come in as DoR.
I don`t think there`s a coach in the UK that I would like unless we get Rowley.
So that brings us to the NRL and again I stick by my Ryan Carr/Lee Briers suggestions.
Didn`t Smith coach a second string team to win the GF whilst he was in Australia?
For me I really do think we have players leaving who do not want to play for us this season and it`s causing disharmony in the changing rooms and on the pitch.
If that's the case said players should be dropped and the reserves given a shout.

Not sure it`s naivety Brad.
Carr and Briers and Rowley are the ones I would "like" as coach
and would have wanted Carr before he went back to Oz.
Briers is one for the future who did well during his time in the UK admittedly as an assistant.
Big risk I know.
The thought of Kear coming to the Club fills me with horror.
He is too far removed from the modern game and whilst he had some motivational skills his understanding on how the game is played now is limited evidenced by his comments on tv along with the likes of Jonathon Davies.
Our once great club has been sadly mis managed for a number of years starting from the top when GH thought it was better to bring in cheap coaching options.

Who was the last very good coach GH brought in for the 1st Team? I ask as I think very good is the minimum standard we should be looking for.

Who was the last game breaking talent GH signed for the 1st Team? I ask as we seem desperately short of them.

Last night I was thinking, I know it hurt, about which players or coaches we have brought in since the 2017 GF that have actually been a roaring success. I couldn't make a case for any of them to be signed really, including the Leeds version of Konrad Hurrell who whilst entertaining was nothing like the St Helens version and wasn't really what we needed.

GH has gone so far off the boil from a playing and coaching side, he's barely even tepid.

The Leeds version of KH is almost exactly the same as the Saints version (he actually looks bigger now), just better players around him.

The Leeds version of KH is almost exactly the same as the Saints version (he actually looks bigger now), just better players around him.

I disagree, he's running much better lines, and as long as it's not with Richie Myler he is much more effective in the tackle.

I agree that having better players around him is helping that, but most of it is down to the application of the player and the fine detail coaching he is receiving.

Come on, Hurrell's well into his 30s with a long NRL career behind him. He had all the skills before he joined Leeds or Sts. The only 'coaching' he needed was to be told to play with more discipline. Playing among better players in a team with a clear structure to their play does the rest.

I disagree - When Smith came to Leeds in 2004 the first thing he did was work the basics of catch and pass, PTB. He coached as if he were coaching kids.

Players get into bad habits even professionals - Hurrell carried the ball in a terrible position which result in numerous errors between the tackle and the PTB. Saints have definitely improved that area of his game. He also used to shoot out of the line all the time and create mayhem - this is much improved at Saints.

It could be he knows the level of performance tolerated at Leeds would not be acceptable at Saints so he had to take heed of the coaching or not play?