Every time Leeds have had a successfull side in history, it has been based on youngsters developed added to with top class players. We were never going to repeat that when you destroy your academy development, and instead concentrate on average players complimented by cheaper (although) higher end players. They could just not see the wood for the trees, and would not dare let go of players they had out of fear.

Had we continued with the conveyor belt of development, we woudln't be anywhere near this now. And don't let anyone be stupid enough to fool you that there wasn't the players there to develop.

Completely agree signing crap is on us but a minimum standard for a professional sportsman is to be in shape

Bottom line is the players aren’t trying their best and that’s inexcusable. I don’t blame any player for being crap so long as they play as well as they possibly can. Every day of my working life I did my best, even if I hated my boss or the firm I worked for; nobody can ask for more. This shower doesn’t seem to be trying, and that’s what sticks in my throat.

Exactly shadwell, it is the core value of rugby league, give it your best, you can ask for no more.

That's the bottom line.I wonder if the disciplinary procedure can be carried out for lack of effort

I would definitely have been sacked if I'd made so little effort.

I`m not disputing what you are saying Bullseye.
But surely another well known source should have known this about Crosby before he signed?
It appears he was no different when he played for Warrington.
Either that or Leeds don`t do their homework which seems to be the case with Lolohea.

No they didn't do their homework.

didn't the previous golden generation all receive benefits with john holmes brought out of retirement, alan smith playing to 40 and holmes and ward seemingly irreplaceable

wigan sold players just past the peak bought better then sold their ground

Sinfield needs more time. He has made some mistakes around player/media management (recent example being Jordan Lilley). My main concern is his judgement on players. You'd think an ex Leeds captain would know a good 'un from a bad 'un, but this is one area we can't afford mistakes in after years of poor decisions.

We need to stop moving players around and just let them go if they're not making grade. Wanting something to be true isn't going to make it true. The reserves should help but the squad is bloated with also-rans I'm afraid.

Another big problem is just the sheer amount of change, and it looks like we'll need another big shake up for 2020. Bradford handed us a lesson in team play and desire.

Going forward we really must evolve the squad in regular pushes, because this mismanagement has led to a car crash.

The whole Sinfield as DOR was Hetherington appeasing the fans by bringing their darling back, a smoke screen while the team he assembled struggled, he is also a deflection of blame for Hetherington.

I still think the fans deserve more of an explanation of Furner's sacking. All the more so if on-field performances continue to be poor.

Yes, results weren't great, but since GH's arrival Leeds have usually been patient with coaching appointments. Was Furner really worse than Dean Lance, for example?

It's not good enough to say 'we know what the problems are, and know how to fix them 100%, but we aren't going to tell you'. And it's also not good enough to expect the fans to be patient when the management are behaving impatiently in all manner of ways.

This is exactly true. The right man for the job, but not the right time when it happened.

2015 we won the treble and three top players .leaders left and following year were were in a relegation season we were told the usual reasons etc for that bad season . 2017 we finished second by a long way and won a one off game which happened to be a the Grand final , then a few more players left ,leaders as well . The management just hoped for the best and this is where we are. By the way what was the purpose of GFs annual trips the Australia ?

Scouring the bartercard cup for bargains?

Fwiw, not everyone who left was a leader, but a good number were and I don't think their replacements have either been signed or worked out very well