You're only Salford.

You've been to 13 finals involving Leeds winning 2 and losing 11.

You are definitely Salford with a win/loss ratio like that.

No I'm only Salford!

Im Salford.

Touche.

No we don't...why are so many convinced Leeds will achieve anything else but an early exit from the play offs ? ? Waste of time.

We might have a couple of good performances left to win the CC (the present crop of players want that one more I'm sure)...but that's it.

Forget the points ...and blood the kids for a better start to next season. Simples.

We aint gonna sign anybody of worth...those kids are the club's future. Start building for 2012 NOW.

Winners never quit and quitters never win.

I would rather finish 6th than 7th or 8th. If we make a complete b******s of the rest of our league games we could still end up 9th, which would be Bradford-esque and rather embarrassing. Losing to Salford by going there with our academy side, and playing young players in a position they haven't played since they were juniors (see Operation Hardaker) would be an excellent first step down that road.

Personally I think this season is already too "embarrassing" to be concerned whether we finish 6th or 9th ....I would have more respect for the club if it started to look to the future now.

But what makes you think that Wilson & Hardaker at stand off are the future? I've seen a couple of academy games and seen nothing to indicate Wilson is ready for the most difficult defensive position in rugby league at SL level. And what is the benefit in moving a young player who was playing well on the wing to a different position?

I also think you're underestimating the impact missing out on the playoffs would have on the club. It would be a disaster. Finishing 8th is far, far, far, far preferable to finishing 9th.

With the run in that Leeds have they WILL finish 8th regardless.

Maybe the players you refer to to will prove not to be good enough to be the club's future....but how the hell can anybody tell unless they're given the opportunity ? As for Hardaker it now appears he isn't even good enough to retain a first choice wing spot; having to make way for those scintillating test calibre centres Delaney and Ablett.

I would suggest Hardaker is good enough to be a first choice winger already at least. Along with BJB, Watkins and Hall he is amongst the best we have in the backs at this point in time.

Sorry, how did Hardaker move from the wing to make way for two players at centre?

Change for change's sake is never a particularly good idea. If the club see Hardaker's future at 1, 2 or 5, there is no value in experimenting with him at 6, even if you did think now was the time to experiment. I don't see him as a centre, so we are best playing some centres there. His competition on the wings comes largely, as I see it, from BJB and Hall. Who both might well be the future, so he'll have to fight it out with them. If they wanted to rest Brent Webb and play those 3 as a back 3, that's an experiment I can get on board with. Your approach seems to be "season's a write-off, let's try any old random s**t so long as it results in a side with an average age of no more than 21.

Your mum's Salford.

Never heard it called that before..

Well, it's a dangerous hell hole....