Nope.

I counted 17.

Never mind.

Is it my 15 + 2 others?

I initially came up with the same 15 as you did.

But if we're counting England here, what about Danny Williams and Ashley Gibson? They both played in the Federation Shield tournament in 2006 which also included France, Tonga and Samoa. Or do we not count those rep games?

Addendum: I think Nick Scruton also played for England in the Fed Shield.

That's 18 then.

To be honest I remembered those England Fed games but had discounted them (rightly or wrongly) as beneath the level G1 was thinking ..... wasn't Paul Cullen the coach? It's appears Fozzard should have made the list as G1 points out. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 004192.stm

To be honest I remembered those England Fed games but had discounted them (rightly or wrongly) as beneath the level G1 was thinking ..... wasn't Paul Cullen the coach? It's appears Fozzard should have made the list as G1 points out. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 004192.stm

Quote: tvoc "To be honest I remembered those England Fed games but had discounted them (rightly or wrongly) as beneath the level G1 was thinking ..... wasn't Paul Cullen the coach?'" Yes, Cullen was the coach. I'm not sure those England games should count. I'm not a huge fan of the England international brand anyhow. My preference has always been for GB. Quote: tvoc "It's appears Fozzard should have made the list as G1 points out. Indeed. One GB appearance for Fozzard in the Tri Nations of 2005 at Loftus Rd against the Kiwis. I didn't remember him playing despite attending that particular fixture. www.rugbyleagueproject.org/match ... aland.html

Quote: tvoc "To be honest I remembered those England Fed games but had discounted them (rightly or wrongly) as beneath the level G1 was thinking ..... wasn't Paul Cullen the coach?'" Yes, Cullen was the coach. I'm not sure those England games should count. I'm not a huge fan of the England international brand anyhow. My preference has always been for GB. Quote: tvoc "It's appears Fozzard should have made the list as G1 points out. Indeed. One GB appearance for Fozzard in the Tri Nations of 2005 at Loftus Rd against the Kiwis. I didn't remember him playing despite attending that particular fixture. www.rugbyleagueproject.org/match ... aland.html

With thanks to TVOC, the stats are now up. 9 carries from Singleton. Remember Kirke has made 4 carries in a game twice.

In fact, Kirke has only carried the ball more than 9 times in a game once this season.

agree with a lot being said, good outing for the lad and showed he will not be out of place when needed

You don't think a decent work rate from a forward is needed every week?

I do not overlook it because those 4 carry games are not isolated. Many, many times last year he showed a similar lack of appetite for the ball. Kirke is a lazy and a soft player.

I've no idea what instructions he took the field with from the coaching staff but given the complete lack of forwards this year I'd be willing to wager a large sum that it wasn't "leave it to the other lads to take up the ball Ian".

In the game against the Bulls he made 4 carries. He also made 11 tackles. every froward bar Kylie made more tackles. What role was Kirke asked to perform in that game?

In the Warrington game you mention he made 4 carries but 23 tackles. 23 tackles is OK but not that impressive. The other front rowers that day made 31 and 32 tackles.

Lets not pretend Kirke avoids the ball because he's a tackling machine.

Thought he was worth a bench spot after last weeks performance!