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| Quote: Him "Some weeks they're fit enough, others not. It's not about fitness in the sense as we usually think of it, as in can they run enough etc. Its the physical toll a game takes on the players body. That toll gets greater and greater each season as teams improve and sports science/conditioners/modern coaching gets players to play faster, harder and smarter.
Taking a Friday to Friday game schedule, the players are usually in recovery training up until Wednesday. Obviously that's an average, some weeks they can do more earlier in the week, some weeks less. And obviously some players recover quicker than others and some players have higher game workloads than others. It's actually a coaching objective/guidance for Peacock to reduce his game workload.
The players, especially the forwards, take huge stresses on their bodies during games. In the Wire game at home this year Peacock took 30 impacts each equivalent to a 30 mph car crash. And that wasn't an unheard of figure.
Michael Monaghan is retiring because of too many blows to the head, another aspect to the fitness issue too.
Is it any wonder some need resting after a tough game? Especially those in their 30's?
I'm sure some of them could have played, but surely we want them in as good a physical condition for Wembley as possible?
As for the NRL, it's not an equal comparison as they have bigger squads, a reserves comp, fewer games and bye weeks plus it's a different style of play. And there haven't been many games this season in which Leeds could cruise. As I said on another thread not long ago, there are roughly just as many blowout scorelines in the NRL as in SL.
Add in the cumulative effect of several seasons of large amounts of games, the cumulative effect of games within a season, minor injuries not given chance to recover from and I'm not suprised we have times in the season where 8/9/10 players are injured.
As I said, I'm sure some could have played today, but do we want them to or do they benefit more from a week off and be in much, much better physical condition than they would have been for the final.
Some people see it as disrespecting SL to play a weakened team in that game, well you could also see it as disrespecting the Cup to play a strong team in the London game.'" These are professional players their training should prepare them for the intensity of what takes place during the gladitorial exchanges.
Players do get injured and that is a valid reason for not playing - fatigue should not be a genuine reason in an elite professional sport for not playing
On the NRL the scores are not an indication of the physicality of the contest. The scoring differential between the top teams in the premiership and the rest and the top teams in the championship and the rest will be similar but the speed and intensity will be very different
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| You watch the match highlights and tell me that the team wasn't capable of beating London, we were fully capable but we completely switched off. With full team I agree we would have won, but on the other hand our team was completely capable and showed that in parts. The team selection wasn't the issue for me, it was the switch off which in the end is down to the players.
Zak Hardaker, Ryan Hall and Ian Kirke the experience was there to not lose. No question.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "These are professional players their training should prepare them for the intensity of what takes place during the gladitorial exchanges.
Players do get injured and that is a valid reason for not playing - fatigue should not be a genuine reason in an elite professional sport for not playing
On the NRL the scores are not an indication of the physicality of the contest. The scoring differential between the top teams in the premiership and the rest and the top teams in the championship and the rest will be similar but the speed and intensity will be very different'"
Training can never prepare a player fully for a game. Or players would be effectively playing a game in training.
15 years ago pro RL players were playing 1 game per week. That is still the same now. Despite a huge increase in the speed and power of players over those 15 years. Whilst modern training and recovery methods can help alleviate that strain, I don't see it as unreasonable to think that we might have reached the point where some players on some occasions in the season need to be rested even without an injury. Especially when there is a game where you want to get the most out of that player.
That seems obvious as most people on here have called for players to be rested during the year, even when not injured.
As I said, I'm sure most of the Leeds players could have played in the London game, but do you want your key players in as good a condition as possible for a Cup Final?
But games that are close usually aren't cruises for one team. Which was the assertion. The difference between the Premiership and Championship is in quality not in fitness or effort. Leeds United players will work just as hard for a win as Man City players will.
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| Just seen the video of McDermott's post match interview on the Leeds website. That definitely isn't a man who doesn't care that we lost, he did seem very annoyed with individuals.....he kept emphasising the word "individuals".
Reporter "will this have any bearing on next week?
McDermott "it'll have a bearing tomorrow when I drag those blokes in who played, those that we feel were culpable, it'll absolutely have a bearing."
TBF to the guy he's been accused of not sounding too angry or upset post defeat/poor showing but watching that he really wasn't happy and quite angry at what happened.
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| Quote: Him "Training can never prepare a player fully for a game. Or players would be effectively playing a game in training.
15 years ago pro RL players were playing 1 game per week. That is still the same now. Despite a huge increase in the speed and power of players over those 15 years. Whilst modern training and recovery methods can help alleviate that strain, I don't see it as unreasonable to think that we might have reached the point where some players on some occasions in the season need to be rested even without an injury. Especially when there is a game where you want to get the most out of that player.
That seems obvious as most people on here have called for players to be rested during the year, even when not injured.
As I said, I'm sure most of the Leeds players could have played in the London game, but do you want your key players in as good a condition as possible for a Cup Final?
But games that are close usually aren't cruises for one team. Which was the assertion. The difference between the Premiership and Championship is in quality not in fitness or effort. Leeds United players will work just as hard for a win as Man City players will.'"
The whole point of training is to prepare players for the job in hand surely? Players should be able to manage one game a week - many don't even need to do 80 minutes as they are substituted for significant time during the game. On here some are suggesting players are rested after 3/4 games into the season. Some were suggesting Sinfield needed resting despite having two games off only a week ago
The play offs have shown a week off is not always a positive move for a team - Mcdermott was in a no win position today, i for one thought he got it about right, the players let him down
On soccer the players at Leeds simply wouldn't be able to live with the physical speed of the premiership especially for the whole 90 minutes
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| I am the proudest man alive tonight after todays slim victory - and almost throwing it away in the last play. It's as if London's victory equates to winning the League Leaders Shield, the Challenge Cup Final and the World Club Challenge in the same week. Hats off to all the Leeds fans I was surrounded by for being so supportive of the London team and the good natured banter after the final whistle.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The whole point of training is to prepare players for the job in hand surely? Players should be able to manage one game a week - many don't even need to do 80 minutes as they are substituted for significant time during the game. On here some are suggesting players are rested after 3/4 games into the season. Some were suggesting Sinfield needed resting despite having two games off only a week ago
The play offs have shown a week off is not always a positive move for a team - Mcdermott was in a no win position today, i for one thought he got it about right, the players let him down
On soccer the players at Leeds simply wouldn't be able to live with the physical speed of the premiership especially for the whole 90 minutes'"
Of course it is, but it can only do so much. As I said on a Friday to Friday game schedule, teams will only do "game training" (ie training as we would think of it, working plays/skills/shapes etc) on Wednesday or Thursday as the rest of the week prior to that is based around recovery. Also I would be very surprised if there is any full contact training session at all once the season starts.
But what is the statement "players should be able to manage one game a week" based on? At what point, with players size, power and speed increasing all the time, would that have to change? If it's the case then would you say no player should be rested at any point this season?
Of course players could physically play in the game, but how effective would they be? And what effect would that have for the week after?
You're right some players don't play 80 minutes, but most of the players people would rest are players who play long minutes and are usually in the thick of the action. People like Peacock, Ablett, Delaney, Sinfield etc or a player like Leuluai who's an impact prop in his mid 30's. I don't think anyone would say someone like Bailey or Clarkson needs a rest.
I agree on McDermott, though I'd have been tempted to have had one of McGuire, Burrow or Sinfield out there to give a bit of leadership and structure from the halves. But, like the Bradford game, the players out there should have done better.
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| The coach also needs to start looking at himself after the recent defeats to Wakey , Bradford and London plus Warrington apart we have been ordinary for months at best . Yes he can still turn it round but if he does not the buck stops with him .
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| i was a bit amused at my fellow leeds fans at the game. at 30-8 there was signing and dancing, i even joked that i hadnt put enough on my bet. by the 75th minute disbelief had set in. goulding was terribly, ok first game, but if you cant shine against london i doubt you ever will. London did the right thing and targeted hanley i think it was on Ryans halls wing. scored most of their tries through his defensive lapses.
Ok, IF we win next week and we all cheer. then we look at the table and see that we boned ourselves in the league for a CC win. 3 cup finals in 3 week i heard one of you say. well had we respected london and bulls they woulnt be the must wins that they now are.
I blame mac for his subs, should of started with the debutants and brought on experience to tidy up any lapses. the players alos take a huge chuck of responsibility.
However, i felt Singleton played a blnder in the first half. really showed that he is coming along nicely. though sutty was ok and was much better in his kicking game than zak. za did ok, the sort of performance you expect from a player whos in a cup final next week. watkins was amazing. every time he got the ball he looked like scoring, maybe had he passed to briscoe (broscoe ) on the final play... Ifs, BUTs and MAYBEs...
for 1 thing, we had better win next week, because for all the promise they showed start of season we are in real danger of winning nothing
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| Quote: southern_rhino "
for 1 thing, we had better win next week, because for all the promise they showed start of season we are in real danger of winning nothing'"
What the absolute f-k, how are we in real danger of winning nothing?!?
This board is so pessimistic it's untrue.
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| FINALLY we see McDermott getting just as peed off as us fans. COINCIDENCE that senior/golden generation/leaders of this Leeds team are the ones that will not be blamed? McDermott is scared of falling out of favour at Leeds. Big individuals in the side that he needs to keep onside, that is why he has never publically critised and voiced his frustrations at them. But as soon as they are out of the side, we see him doing just that.
I'm annoyed & embarrassed. But just think on Saturday at 5pm all will be forgotten.
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| Quote: LeedsDave "Who actually cares?
Its all about next week, today was just a weekend to get out of the way.
If you care about today then you don't understand our priorities as a club and thiers as a group of players.'"
I care. I wasted a day and a boat load of money going to watch the team i support capitulate without even a whimper. Perhaps they should come out and tell us fans that they dont give a toss about certain matches so we can avoid wasting our money going to support them?
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| Quote: RhinoNeil "FINALLY we see McDermott getting just as peed off as us fans. COINCIDENCE that senior/golden generation/leaders of this Leeds team are the ones that will not be blamed? McDermott is scared of falling out of favour at Leeds. Big individuals in the side that he needs to keep onside, that is why he has never publically critised and voiced his frustrations at them. But as soon as they are out of the side, we see him doing just that.
I'm annoyed & embarrassed. But just think on Saturday at 5pm all will be forgotten.'"
Well, he can't criticize the senior players when none of them were playing. He could have criticized himself for not playing any of them so there was no leadership on the field (just playing JJB, who's had hardly any rugby this year, would probably be enough to seal the win). Or he could have criticized himself for building a club that has no structures or relies entirely on individual play to get through a game. The reason Wigan can bring their kids in and look fine is not because their kids are better, it's because they're fitting those kids into a jigsaw they already know how to make.
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| Quote: Him "Training can never prepare a player fully for a game. Or players would be effectively playing a game in training.
15 years ago pro RL players were playing 1 game per week. That is still the same now. Despite a huge increase in the speed and power of players over those 15 years. Whilst modern training and recovery methods can help alleviate that strain, I don't see it as unreasonable to think that we might have reached the point where some players on some occasions in the season need to be rested even without an injury. Especially when there is a game where you want to get the most out of that player.
That seems obvious as most people on here have called for players to be rested during the year, even when not injured.
As I said, I'm sure most of the Leeds players could have played in the London game, but do you want your key players in as good a condition as possible for a Cup Final?
But games that are close usually aren't cruises for one team. Which was the assertion. The difference between the Premiership and Championship is in quality not in fitness or effort. Leeds United players will work just as hard for a win as Man City players will.'"
There is a big difference in fitness between Premiership and championship players in terms of fitness.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Don't blame McDermott - that side should have beaten London - take Moon out that is the 3/4 line that will play next week. 30-8 up with 30 minutes to go should have been enough. This time the players need to look in the mirror!!'"
Quite right Sal. You can forgive the debut boys as they need time and you must expect a few errors however certain of the more experienced players obviously took their foot off the gas which was the problem. There was enough experience to defend our big lead and the kickers should have gone for field position and close down the game. We must look to learn from this and turn it into a positive to motivate a strong run in for a top spot.
Also had we not been in the final it is likely that this game would have been chosen to rest key players and blood youngsters before the big end of season matches in any case.
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