Personally I find myself far more angry with the current team than either 96 or the other worst incarnation I remember of 86-87. In those cases there were specific causes - poor finances primarily - and the club turned things around very quickly once they got their act together.

The more recent problems are far harder to excuse as we had a real warning in 2016 and didn't act on it, and we have almost the same structural issues now as we did then. Added to that we've got a whole bunch of players who are 'supposed' to be good playing in the most gutless manner possible. They are so bad as a group its really hard to tell who is just rubbish and who is not trying.

To quote Wane.. something is not right in the camp.

Every time Leeds have had a successfull side in history, it has been based on youngsters developed added to with top class players. We were never going to repeat that when you destroy your academy development, and instead concentrate on average players complimented by cheaper (although) higher end players. They could just not see the wood for the trees, and would not dare let go of players they had out of fear.

Had we continued with the conveyor belt of development, we woudln't be anywhere near this now. And don't let anyone be stupid enough to fool you that there wasn't the players there to develop.

Completely agree signing crap is on us but a minimum standard for a professional sportsman is to be in shape

Bottom line is the players aren’t trying their best and that’s inexcusable. I don’t blame any player for being crap so long as they play as well as they possibly can. Every day of my working life I did my best, even if I hated my boss or the firm I worked for; nobody can ask for more. This shower doesn’t seem to be trying, and that’s what sticks in my throat.

Exactly shadwell, it is the core value of rugby league, give it your best, you can ask for no more.

That's the bottom line.I wonder if the disciplinary procedure can be carried out for lack of effort

I would definitely have been sacked if I'd made so little effort.

I`m not disputing what you are saying Bullseye.
But surely another well known source should have known this about Crosby before he signed?
It appears he was no different when he played for Warrington.
Either that or Leeds don`t do their homework which seems to be the case with Lolohea.

No they didn't do their homework.

didn't the previous golden generation all receive benefits with john holmes brought out of retirement, alan smith playing to 40 and holmes and ward seemingly irreplaceable

wigan sold players just past the peak bought better then sold their ground

Sinfield needs more time. He has made some mistakes around player/media management (recent example being Jordan Lilley). My main concern is his judgement on players. You'd think an ex Leeds captain would know a good 'un from a bad 'un, but this is one area we can't afford mistakes in after years of poor decisions.

We need to stop moving players around and just let them go if they're not making grade. Wanting something to be true isn't going to make it true. The reserves should help but the squad is bloated with also-rans I'm afraid.

Another big problem is just the sheer amount of change, and it looks like we'll need another big shake up for 2020. Bradford handed us a lesson in team play and desire.

Going forward we really must evolve the squad in regular pushes, because this mismanagement has led to a car crash.