Merrin should be captain Watkins is far too nice and currently cannot lead by example.
There is either something seriously wrong between the players as they do not want to put their bodies on the line for the good of the team. Or Furner does not have a clue how to coach. Either way it needs "Sir Kev" to grow a pair and put friendships to one side and get it sorted

Furner has got to go.

Agreed. Before it's too late

You do realise that Furner has done no damage at all don't you? The damage to this team was already done long before he came.

He has been at the club while we have recruited hurrel, Merrin and Ava - all k. Paper great buys. Ok Donaldson and Wellington reek of bargain basement but you have to offset the bigger buys.

He has given youth a chance, made big calls (sutty to 6, tui to 1) when needed.

The players are all saying they are training great but it's not translating into the pitch. The players need to take responsibility. Changing a coach every few months is not the way to build success.

Be a fan and support the team, don't slag them at every turn.

Sorry yes you're correct. Furner has us looking well coached and full of desire. I actually think hes taken us forward from last year.

How much impact do you think a coach has in 12 games?

Graham Murray had quite an impact in his first 12 games.

Indeed. What's clear in Funers first 12 games is that we look like serious contenders for relegation

RIP MUZZA!!
The big difference is Muzza was a seasoned well travelled coach and his backroom Team were top notch as well.
Furner needs at least 1 Quality no2 and imo a specialist defensive Coach.

He also had Iestyn Harris. Furner has Sutcliffe and Lolohea.

remember we still have Ablett and JJB !! - Both expected to be offered new contracts again !!! - Not - Thanks B McD for keeping the old guard and not blooding the new kids and only playing with 3 subs.

You would never see a Murray side simply not compete - that is about attitude nothing to with quality. Murray's side got beat yes but not because they gave up - this Leeds side gives up when it gets tough

Sure.

But the original point was about a coach coming in and making an impact. People forget when Murray arrived in 1998, Leeds had finished 5th in the league in the previous season, and already had a nucleus of good players like Harris and Blackmore. Murray did get many players to punch above their weight, but he also added two shrewd signings in Brad Godden and Marc Glanville - not unlike the recent signings of Hurrell and Merrin.

The difference is that Furner has inherited a team that were already at the bottom of the league, and had been neglected for some years. While I had hoped this year's team would be better than it has been in terms of results and on-field attitude / defence, I do think we have to be patient with Furner at least, if not some of the players who are letting the team down, and have been doing so since the days of Brian Mac. Hopefully with a few players back from injury plus new signings like Seumanugafai Leeds will keep picking up wins, if not go on a proper winning run (too much to expect given recent form?).

Not blooding new kids?

From our current squad how many 'kids' made their debut under McDermott?

Walker
Singleton
Ward
Handley
Golding
Sutcliffe
Oledski
Smith
L Briscoe

And How many did he play that have moved on from us?

Spot on. Which is where a coach can make a difference. Forget comparing players etc.