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| Quote: Clearwing "Your analogy to a charity is a bad one IMO. Bulls fans and others have presumably contributed because the continued existence of that team is important to them. In other words they perceive they'll be getting something in return for their dosh, assuming the club survives of course. Very different to the motives of those giving to a charity I'd suggest. Id also be surprised if much of the money has been given without thought on the part of the donors.'"
You don't see anything analogous between activities like sponsored walks, fundraising auctions, bucket collections etc and a charitable collection? Not exactly standard ways for a business to generate revenue are they?
I would say the begging bowl coming out at Odsal was treated very much like fundraising for a charitable cause. We may have to agree to disagree.
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| Quote: Fat Boy "Chris Caisley will be well chuffed that he still owns 25% of an ongoing concern instead of 25% of fekk all.
He might be able to finish that massive extension he's put on his house now - I bet he'll thank all those Bulls fans that helped him build it every time he sits in his oversized living room watching his 60" widescreen.'"
Ding - we have a winner.
This entire exercise is about making the club more viable to a future buyer and ensuring that the current shareholders get better value for their shares.
Those who have been duped into contributing are essentially putting money in the pockets of the Bulls shareholders by propping up the market value of their investment.
For all this talk of "the RL family", where were Bradford's family loyalties when Wakefield were close to disappearing down the crapper, or when they voted against the reformed London club rejoining SL?
Hypocrisy of the highest order.
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| To be fair to the Bulls supporters, their first and often only priority was to save the club from the administrators wrecking ball as you will see if you read the relevant threads on their forum, after they're in a safe place then you'll find that many of them start asking awkward questions of the existing shareholders.
Would the same thing happen at Headingley - I suspect it would, I wouldn't, but I'm sure that enough would give £100 if asked, just for an example - if you were asked this afternoon to donate £100 to a building fund for the new southstand would you donate ?
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| Reading through some of the threads over on the Bulls forum, I just get the impression that they are all in denial, and they genuinely believe everything is rosy, the future looks good, and they haven't just taken part in one of sports biggest cons, led by the wealthy Bulls shareholders.
Still...good luck to them. It's their money, and they are entitled to waste it anyway they want.
Bradford council have wasted £24million on a puddle, so fans throwing £500,000 into a tip is small change!
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| Quote: McLaren_Field "To be fair to the Bulls supporters, their first and often only priority was to save the club from the administrators wrecking ball as you will see if you read the relevant threads on their forum, after they're in a safe place then you'll find that many of them start asking awkward questions of the existing shareholders.'"
Too late. Investment secured, why would they suddenly do the right thing and face the music? At best they'll sell, at the value secured by the free revenue.
Quote: McLaren_Field " just for an example - if you were asked this afternoon to donate £100 to a building fund for the new southstand would you donate ?'"
No. Unless a supporters' trust or similar got a meaningful stake in the business out of it. But to be honest, unlike the Bulls, the private business at HQ seems to be being run quite well (as far as I can tell) so it would be best left in the hands of the experts, who can finance the new stand when and if they can do it in a way that makes commercial sense.
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| Quote: El Diablo "
No. Unless a supporters' trust or similar got a meaningful stake in the business out of it. But to be honest, unlike the Bulls, the private business at HQ seems to be being run quite well (as far as I can tell) so it would be best left in the hands of the experts, who can finance the new stand when and if they can do it in a way that makes commercial sense.'"
I'll bet that if this afternoon the Leeds Rhinos announced that you could buy a brick in the new southstand for £100 and have your name put in a meaningless book in return for your money, all the bricks would be on order at Jewsons by this time next week.
I'll also bet that over the last ten days Gary Hetherington has often woken up at 3am with that very same thought running through his head.
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| Quote: McLaren_Field "I'll bet that if this afternoon the Leeds Rhinos announced that you could buy a brick in the new southstand for £100 and have your name put in a meaningless book in return for your money, all the bricks would be on order at Jewsons by this time next week.
I'll also bet that over the last ten days Gary Hetherington has often woken up at 3am with that very same thought running through his head.'"
Don't forget to make sure you make people fell like if they don't buy a brick the club will have to fold and it will be their fault. Not your fault for pi44ing the money away. No surree. Definitely their fault for not pledging.
Then mention the kittens. Everyone likes kittens.
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| Quote: El Diablo "Don't forget to make sure you make people fell like if they don't buy a brick the club will have to fold and it will be their fault. Not your fault for pi44ing the money away. No surree. Definitely their fault for not pledging.
Then mention the kittens. Everyone likes kittens.'"
Bradford made a huge error not promising that every pledge will save a kitten, and that with every pledge you get a slice of cake dependent on the amount pledged.
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| Quote: El Diablo "I'm pleased for some of the bulls fans, in that they have dug deep to save their club, but reading the report in League Express on Tuesday I got a bit angry. The source of my anger is that this is a private company, which has somehow (and this, it must be said, was a masterstroke by an apparently inept board) come to be treated as a charity. People have handed over £500k to a private business, no strings attached. £14k from a bucket collection? There are actual charities doing selfless, worthwhile work out there who would have quite liked over a ton of coinage. But no, all that philanthropic good will has been poured without thought into the coffers of a business with it's own shareholders, which needed it because it had squandered every penny it had before.
I don't want to see the Bulls go under, but the whole thing feels quite wrong to me.'"
Spot on.
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| Quote: El Diablo "Quote: El Diablo "I'll bet that if this afternoon the Leeds Rhinos announced that you could buy a brick in the new southstand for £100 and have your name put in a meaningless book in return for your money, all the bricks would be on order at Jewsons by this time next week.
I'll also bet that over the last ten days Gary Hetherington has often woken up at 3am with that very same thought running through his head.'"
Don't forget to make sure you make people fell like if they don't buy a brick the club will have to fold and it will be their fault. Not your fault for pi44ing the money away. No surree. Definitely their fault for not pledging.
Then mention the kittens. Everyone likes kittens.'"
Mice don't.
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| just over 3000 today do bradford fans still want a club one game fans
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| There is a perfectly good argument going on at the moment between the supporters of the 2 Bradford clubs (City/Bulls)
We all know Odsal isn't and won't be getting better anytime soon, in fact it's going to get worse.
Bradford City have a 25,000 seater stadium which is a decent looking stadium ready in the making for them yet the "old-gaurd" at Odsal would rather see there club go under than move.
OK, Valley Parade isn't in the best of areas BUT it's a decent stadium and one which the 2 clubs should be sharing in my opinion.
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| Quote: RhinoLaney "There is a perfectly good argument going on at the moment between the supporters of the 2 Bradford clubs (City/Bulls)
We all know Odsal isn't and won't be getting better anytime soon, in fact it's going to get worse.
Bradford City have a 25,000 seater stadium which is a decent looking stadium ready in the making for them yet the "old-gaurd" at Odsal would rather see there club go under than move.
OK, Valley Parade isn't in the best of areas BUT [sizeit's a great stadium[/size and one which the 2 clubs should be sharing in my opinion.'"
Steady on.
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| There you go buddy ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: RhinoLaney "There you go buddy
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