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Ref cam smith, he looks jaded. Should imagine a close Season break might do him good. Hopefully return rejuvenated, don’t know what to make if Newman at the moment. Drifts in and out of games, not really playing well.doesn’t look particularly happy. Looking at miller who goes looking for work whilst coming up with the odd stupid mistake is playing well. Seems to be really enjoying himself.

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Millers tackle bust stats are ridiculous. 193, next closest is Dufty on 151.

Miller also leads the carry count in the League again with Dufty second.

Just on Cam Smith he’s way out in front of the tackle count in the league, personally i think he’s suffering from having to do too much work to cover the fact we haven’t got a proper pack.

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Quote: christopher "Millers tackle bust stats are ridiculous. 193, next closest is Dufty on 151.

Miller also leads the carry count in the League again with Dufty second.

Just on Cam Smith he’s way out in front of the tackle count in the league, personally i think he’s suffering from having to do too much work to cover the fact we haven’t got a proper pack.'"


That doesn’t shock me on Miller, his effort has been really good all year but he’s one whose application has vastly improved under Arthur.

On Smith that’s fair. I read something recently that suggested he will far exceed the time allowance for players next year. Also doesn’t help that his direct competition for the 13 shirt in O’Connor is playing out of his skin atm. More than Willing to see how Smith pans out after an Arthur off-season.

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Quote: Barrie’s Glass Eye "That doesn’t shock me on Miller, his effort has been really good all year but he’s one whose application has vastly improved under Arthur.

On Smith that’s fair. I read something recently that suggested he will far exceed the time allowance for players next year. Also doesn’t help that his direct competition for the 13 shirt in O’Connor is playing out of his skin atm. More than Willing to see how Smith pans out after an Arthur off-season.'"

Arthur will work it all out. Def a role for Can Smith…..

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I would play Smith at prop and not at LF.

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Quote: Seth "INOUTMcNamara moaning about the ref is funny, with the way they 'molested' the Leeds players on the floor our 6 agains and penalties could have been double'"


Spot on ,
He usually waits by the tunnel at half time and has a go at the ref . Not sure how he gets away with it .

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I'd really hope Smith isn't part of our front row plans next year, Though he's not doing great with the ball he's really got no attributes to be a prop

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I’d rather Cam was in the rotation than some who haven’t got on the field this year, but I take your point, we should be aiming higher than this in our front row plans.

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I hope he can be reinvigorated with a good preseason and hopefully a better pack around him. I think it's clear Arthur has trust in him as I don't think he would be pandering to any sentiment with the remit he's had and he's still been starting him.

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Just had a look back at the thread on Cam Smith when he was made Captain before the season. He was gonna have “a big season”, was gonna “be a lot better with the new 6,7,9”” etc, etc. After a second poor season in a row, we are now preparing more excuses for him. Not just a new 6,7,9, we need new props for him to prosper, a new dietician, different type of pitch, different colour shirt. Some have suggested he plays as prop (bulks up) some have suggested he needs slim down and become more mobile, the list of ways we can get the best from him has become endless. The fact is he’s had the two worst seasons of his career during the prime of his career. There’s only one person gonna make it happen for Cam Smith and that’s Cam Smith.

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Quote: leeds owl "Just had a look back at the thread on Cam Smith when he was made Captain before the season. He was gonna have “a big season”, was gonna “be a lot better with the new 6,7,9”” etc, etc. After a second poor season in a row, we are now preparing more excuses for him. Not just a new 6,7,9, we need new props for him to prosper, a new dietician, different type of pitch, different colour shirt. Some have suggested he plays as prop (bulks up) some have suggested he needs slim down and become more mobile, the list of ways we can get the best from him has become endless. The fact is he’s had the two worst seasons of his career during the prime of his career. There’s only one person gonna make it happen for Cam Smith and that’s Cam Smith.'"

You do know he was 2023 player if the season, don't you? I think he's been poor this year, but like some others I suspect it's partly work load related. I'll back Arthur to sort it out one way or another.

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Quote: ArthurClues "You do know he was 2023 player if the season, don't you? I think he's been poor this year, but like some others I suspect it's partly work load related. I'll back Arthur to sort it out one way or another.'"


They were never going to give it to Blake Austin for obvious reasons. He was one of the few players to shine last season, Smith certainly didn’t. I’d like to see Arthur have an impact on not just Smith but other players as well, but I’d also like to see people affording as many excuses to all the players that have been poor this season not just Cam.

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Quote: Seth "I'd really hope Smith isn't part of our front row plans next year, Though he's not doing great with the ball he's really got no attributes to be a prop'"

I would hope Seth we get a couple of decent props into the Club for next season and we won`t have to rely on Smith playing there.
It was more for the remainder of this season allowing O`Connor or even Bentley to play LF and the fact we don`t have many options to cover FR.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Whilst we haven’t seen the best of Ackers and he has been a disappoint so far, but he is a tried and proven class player, Johnson is not and never will be he same level, JOC is younger than Johnson and just getting better snd better.

Think Ackers is a bit if the Lee Crooks in the transfer deal, and didn’t really want to come here, But crooks was player of the year in his second season at Leeds'"


Trust me when Ackers heard we were interested he could not wait to get here.

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Quote: YoRhino "It wouldn’t surprise me if Cam Smith is carrying and injury. Pace has never been his strong point but the latter part of this season he’s been so off. Last season he also had a bit of a step at the line that allowed him to break some tackles, that also seems to have gone. Could be the captaincy weighing heavy but who knows.'"


You are right Cam is carrying an injury and has been for a while. The reason he came off against Catalan was due to a heavy knock.

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