If Sangare was a home grown player, who had come through our academy he would be praised more often than not.

Yeah I'm not sure that's true, oledszki got plenty of criticism last year and he's home grown. Sangare is nearly 26 not a young player anymore he did his job well Friday but overall I've not seen him play to the potential he sometimes shows. I wasn't convinced about him before he signed. He just hasn't shown he has the ability/mentality to consistently apply himself for the time he is on the field, too languid in his approach.

A big point of forums like this is for fans to talk players and it’s mostly in good healthy opinions… I don’t love it when some criticise the likes of Mik who is an absolute club stalwart, carried our pack for years with little support and worked his way into England selection. One dip in form and the knives come out. He had a decent shoulder injury the end of the previous season…

I thought Shabs only listened to the games on the radio anyway?

Exactly proving my point. I thought oledszki was poor last year (as he reflected himself). Though the years where as you say he's carried us, and his injury, for me gave him some slack. His homegrown status didn't protect him from criticism though.

No and the criticism of players is sometimes unwarranted. Mik wasn’t even that bad last year; just not up to his usual standards.

I don't see a problem with saying a player is playing poorly when they are as long as it's respectful and leaves the personal stuff out.

It must come over the Radio then for you to hear it .

Never in well over 50 years of going have i heard it , yes supporters pick on players but colour has never come in to it within my hearing

To be fair ive heard racism on the terraces in the last few years, it wasn’t our terrace though it was at Cas and the lads shouting it were swiftly booted out.

Unfortunately racism and bigotry seems to be on the rise and it’s due to the non existent culture wars the politicians seem to want to fight, but that’s a totally separate OT point.

Another level kinda accusation

Yeah of course. But with Mik it’s not like the lad was trying to have a poor season and he started injured without a proper pre-season.

We like to refer to Sangare as Frenchie ( like a beautiful blonde er... pineapple) though thats going to be confusing now with Goudemand, To get the best out of him will be tricky, he needs a little bit more space to get moving before contact , which means standing a bit deeper at the play the ball and who ever is at the ruck then has to play different for him which is a pain but would be even harder to stop actually running onto the ball and he has to be carefull with the raised knees he might need to accelerate
. What do you call a dummy runner who isnt actually running.... but at the same time he has been carefull not to run into the line and cause an obstruction. Still think theres an effective prop there its all about his own confidence and his half backs tee ing him up right.

I just don't think Sangare is a problem player. He's a rotation prop and massive, takes juice out of the opposition and probably not wildly expensive on the salary cap.

What we do need is Mik, Tom and Sam in good form around him, and ideally one or two more props coming through the system like TNW.

If Mom gets a ban for this one I'll be fuming. There was clearly no contact with the head and he had a right to tackle the player who had just touched and then dropped the ball. It shouldn't have even been a yellow card; and Salford basically stopped playing and ran in, forcing the ref to stop the game while we had the ball on a counterattack... bonkers.

If Mik and Lisone continue there form on from Friday we will go well, Miks stats were pretty good and head and shoulders above any other prop on the field.

Sangare went ok aswell

Catalans up soon. Their injury faking antics seem to have re-emerged big style. Make Salford look like men of iron.