Brodie, what parts of his interview were so bad? I think the press have given him a ridiculously easy ride at times, but they did the same with BM as well. Never any follow-up after one of his vague answers, never any detailed questions about selection. Its not about trying to wind him up or be nasty - just ask some of the questions any Leeds fan would want to know. Instead we get drivel from Agar about lacking intent, and he's just left to say that without any further questions. He's also never asked specific questions about players who like awful. If he doesn't get asked he's not going to answer.

Out of interest despite us having a supposedly Good squad , how many of those players are genuinely international players? I mean starting internationals now. Compare that to the other top teams and is revealing…..

I just wonder now Sinfield has left, because he was fed up of spending long hours every day of doing Gary's work instead of what he should have been doing, if Agar is now doing similar along with Kev's job and the coaching is getting done more by others?

I dont know, its just a thought. Rich used to go to all junior games, ive not seen him at one yet. Suggests hes tied up elsewhere.

Whilst i understand the calls for his head after that embarrassment Thursday maybe its time we look above the head of the coach to a guy whos well into his 60s now and maybe holding back the club that he built so magnificently.

Maybe it’s no coincidence that we seem to have dropped off since Sinfield left?

I too understand the Agar Out sentiment no one was more disappointed than me about the shambles in Thursday i do think it’s not just down to him, as ive out in the general club thread there seems to be a few areas where the whole club is falling short.

In some respects that game on Thursday could be a blessing in disguise if the club now take stock of where we are and where we want to be.

Im probably reading way too much into this but i was a bit annoyed at JJB last night laughing and joking about the situation and joking that he’s taking notes from lomax at the ‘touch screen’ with John Wells, he’s our assistant coach FFS, not sure you’d see Wellens doing the same or someone like McGuire.

I remember Sinfield getting interviewed by Bryan Carney after sacking Furner and he was visibly annoyed at the situation and you could see he was serious about trying to sort it out.

My suspicion is that the club (and seemingly many of its fans) have gradually lost track of what a title winning quality player looks like. To pick an example, I've lost track of how many times I've been told Matt Prior's a good player. Which is true to an extent until you compare with the likes of JP. I can't be d going through the whole side but there's a really high percentage that compare unfavourably with the stalwarts of the last great Leeds team or the Saints of today. Those gaps could be reduced if the players - young and old - wanted to badly enough and were helped to do so. Personally, I'm not convinced by either the desire or of the support and guidance.

Is it fair to compare players to the likes of JP tho? There arent many JPs in a lifetime. We got spoiled during that period we had a truly great team we will probably never see that again for a long time.

Not being as good as JP is acceptable to me but not moving up to meet the opposition isnt. Thursday wasnt acceptable we all know that.

It is fair as we are one of the richest teams in the league too. Not acceptable to have so many average (I’m being generous) players….

Transition delayed for another year. Next year is when we'll really push on.

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It`s a bit like Agar saying we trained well all week and was disappointed we couldn`t put that effort on the pitch.
Been saying that for at least 10 years now.

Totally agree with the points regarding Hetherington and the general state of the club. I think Sinfield was frustrated and that played a part in his decision to leave and we have definitely regressed culturally since his departure despite in theory having a better squad. All I hear from Leicester is how much influence he is having on their culture and professionalism.How many jobs is Agar trying to do is he picking up a lot of Hetheringtons role. The rest of the coaching set up is sub standard. Long has brought nothing. Walker looks out of his depth. Rather than a snap decision I would prefer that we get the right man who brings his own team of coaches with him. Sadly get rid of them all but do it sensibly. I wpuld have no issues if Agar moved upstairs into the Hetherington role.

You simply can't compare JP playing in a great team with Prior playing in a poor team.
Prior is not the problem - he gives everything.

There is a coaching, tactics, culture, attitude and discipline problem.
That's down to the system and the coaching set up.

Having said that, I'm not sure there's much to be gained in sacking Agar now.
Who do we bring in?
I can't honestly believe we would give it to Long - he's shown nothing as an attacking coach.
And as for Walker and JJB....
Maguire would be a better assistant - he comes across well and is a former captain.
Trying to get a 'top' Aussie coach would smack of desperation and could end up with another Furner debacle.
These changes need planning to be successful.
But it does need to be an Aussie I think.

We may as well continue with the current set up and plan for next season.
But if we lose to Salford next week, I'm not sure he can carry on.

I'm also not convinced with him moving to DOR tbh.
Some of the planning and recruitment decisions are proving to be really poor.

Well said Simmo.

I think we should be looking to bring in Ryan Carr as head coach and Maguire as assistant.
Maguire comes across as intelligent and knowledgable about the game - JJB and Walker don't.

Agar to DOR and dispense of the services of JJB, Long and Walker.

What experience does Carr have to be Leeds coach tho?

I gave him as an example of part of a wider problem, I didn't say he was the problem. I could have picked others just as easily.
Bodene and Donaldson give everything. Sometimes it ain't enough.