totally agree - without supporting players like JJB, Sinfield and his position(s) on the field have less impact.

It depends on your definition of 'legend' and how many players you want in that bracket. If you're talking top 5 or 10 players of all time JJB wouldn't be in many people's lists. If you're talking top 50 he might be in most.

The number is irrellevant if he's played a big part in the most successful part of your Clubs History then he's in whether tjat yakes your clubs legend list to 5 or 6 or 56.

Course the number is relevant, because its about how exclusive or otherwise you want a list to be. That's the whole point. YOUR view is that he should be in and therefore have a longer list, others think the term 'legend' should be mega-exclusive to maybe 5 players. Nobody is actually right or wrong because there's no agreed definition.

If you were to ask me (which you didn't) I'd say the 5 most important players in the club's history (in no particular order) would be Lewis Jones, Joe Thompson, Eric Harris, John Holmes and Kevin Sinfield. Each of those players dominated an era for the club and won things.

If you would put JJB ahead of them then that's your view and you're entitled to it, but to me he wouldn't be in the top 20 players in the history of the club (which predates SL by more than 100 years). He would maybe be in my top 50, but I probably wouldn't call top 50 'legends'.

Many supporters use Alex Simmon's definition of RL legend which appears to be anyone who has worn a RL shirt and bought him a pint. JJB is a loyal club player but not a legend by any stretch of the imagination.

in the clubs great era's there will always be players who will be mentioned when those Eras are talked about and names and memories handed down to people who have not seen them play.These players while not legends themselves deserve to be mentioned along side legends

The Golden Generation is in itself pretty much legendary. Within that context, the respective contributions may be judged by representation within those winning teams. JJB is right up there for me.

Utter tripe got f'all to do with how simmons uses it.

Ian Kirke immediately springs to mind

6 rings ! My god . Arthur Clues never won very much ,but he has legendary status and I never saw him play ,but the tales about him are legendary

Ian Kirke won 4 = I think - so what does that say?

Legend is about there quality as a player not what they have won

For me the term legend is made up of many areas. A legend needs to have been at a club for a long period of time, have been a player of real quality, and have been someone who was instrumental in the success of the team. There aren't many players who can tick all the boxes. For me I don't think he was quite a good enough player to tick the middle box. He was effective and reliable and made the most of the talent he had with his attitude and dedication. He wasn't a standout player of his generation.

However, for me that puts him in a similar place as Burrow and McGuire

Really? He was solid in the GF wins, but never a standout. McGuire and Burrow played major roles in wins. As did Sinfield. In terms of impact in one or more GFs he'd be behind the likes of JP, Leuluai, Lauti'iti, Diskin, Ablett, Webb, Lee Smith, Donald, Senior and Hardaker. He'd be in any 17 'best of' team to reflect the era, and his contribution shouldn't be overlooked, but lets not pretend he was as influential as some others.

Every successful team has players fans like and the rest of the squad value highly both on and off-field. Some are lucky and play in very successful teams, others just don't (I'm thinking Roy Powell here for some reason, but Dave Heron and many others would qualify).

JJB has been this generation's Graham Eccles. He's a Leeds legend, and has been the heart and soul of the club as a whole for a decade.