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| Unless we implode/explode it looks like we will have a home game. Of the two saints and hull, I would think we would have more chance with hull. Saints look to be coming good whilst hull have some silverware in the cabinet and may not be so hungry. Nevertheless hull are a decent side so I would not take for granted a home victory. Speculating down the track if we don't get to old Trafford would a top four finish be sufficient for Brian Mac to keep his job. Interesting times indeed.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "hull have some silverware in the cabinet and may not be so hungry '"
Really?? They're a professional club that could win the double. Theyre not going to be satisfied now.
Quote: Backwoodsman " Speculating down the track if we don't get to old Trafford would a top four finish be sufficient for Brian Mac to keep his job. Interesting times indeed.'"
Regardless of how the season finishes, he needs to go. People don't like to believe it but it's an unhappy dressing room
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| time for a change of coach and new thinking !
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| Quote: D4mo78 "Really?? They're a professional club that could win the double. Theyre not going to be satisfied now.
Regardless of how the season finishes, he needs to go. People don't like to believe it but it's an unhappy dressing room'"
If you recall our home matches against saints this season, in the first one smith received that bad eye injury that weakened saints. In the next game we just scraped home. It's irrelevant what you think or say regarding the coach, the decision will be taken by caddick and hetherington. It maybe they will consider a top four finish reasonable after last seasons debacle. Personally I think Mac should go, the team/club needs to freshen things up both in signing players and tactics. . But as previously stated the decision won't be mine.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Unless we implode/explode it looks like we will have a home game. Of the two saints and hull, I would think we would have more chance with hull. Saints look to be coming good whilst hull have some silverware in the cabinet and may not be so hungry. Nevertheless hull are a decent side so I would not take for granted a home victory. Speculating down the track if we don't get to old Trafford would a top four finish be sufficient for Brian Mac to keep his job. Interesting times indeed.'"
Hull targeted the GF pre season. radford described it as the "holy grail" in the build up to wembley. Whether they can peak again following wembley is the big question but there is definitely a different feel about the club this year compared to last.
You'll win on Thursday night though and I'm surprised radford isn't resting more players
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Hull targeted the GF pre season. radford described it as the "holy grail" in the build up to wembley. Whether they can peak again following wembley is the big question but there is definitely a different feel about the club this year compared to last.
You'll win on Thursday night though and I'm surprised radford isn't resting more players'"
the squad announcement is only really a rough guide nowadays though isn't it. i expect hull to make a couple more changes on top of the three already announced. radders has form in this area
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| Quote: the artist "the squad announcement is only really a rough guide nowadays though isn't it. i expect hull to make a couple more changes on top of the three already announced. radders has form in this area'"
Maybe but we haven't really got many players who didn't play at wembley and aren't in the 19 anyway
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| Quote: rollin thunder "I don't think hull will care too much about this or finishing second, they will be pretty confident that they can come back to headingley in the semi and turn us over, or go to cas from fourth and turn them over, think they have shown this year that at their best they are the best side in super league at the minute. it pains me to say it, but they are pretty much better than us in every department over all. their kicking game is superior their pack allround is better, half's are better, probable like for like all round in the backs. i think the only place we are better than them is in the offload off the cuff stuff, think we still have the better game breakers X players in cuthbo, parcell, moon, hall, watkins, the players who can just create something from nothing. I think when we do click in this aspect of our game we can wreak havoc against any side. unfortunately we really too much on the x players clicking and when they don't we luck clueless.
think we will win Thursday but not sure if we can beet Hull when it really matters.'"
We've got a healthy record vs Hull and that before that cup loss we had won 8 on the trot against them including putting 50 on them at home and winning at home after losing 2 starters after 15 mins.
Hull have been great in the cup but their league form and performances haven't been anything to write home about and including a number of heavy defeats at home and a battering at Magic so I'm not entirely sold on them yet in the league - in the cup they just had a confidence from winning last year that helped them massively like us backing up in 2015 and Warrington run of wins.
Still a big question mark that they even make the playoffs imo now with a tough run of fixtures to come. Obviously backing up this week is really tough and then Wigan will be out for revenge and desperately needing to win to keep their chances alive. Wakey away will be tricky also even if some on here don't rate them they've usually been a tough side to beat at home and finally Cas away.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "We've got a healthy record vs Hull and that before that cup loss we had won 8 on the trot against them including putting 50 on them at home and winning at home after losing 2 starters after 15 mins.
Hull have been great in the cup but their league form and performances haven't been anything to write home about and including a number of heavy defeats at home and a battering at Magic so I'm not entirely sold on them yet in the league - in the cup they just had a confidence from winning last year that helped them massively like us backing up in 2015 and Warrington run of wins.
Still a big question mark that they even make the playoffs imo now with a tough run of fixtures to come. Obviously backing up this week is really tough and then Wigan will be out for revenge and desperately needing to win to keep their chances alive. Wakey away will be tricky also even if some on here don't rate them they've usually been a tough side to beat at home and finally Cas away.'"
We play Wakefield at Home. If Wigan lose to Saints on Friday, then that is there chances of the 4 realistically over, and the game against Cas, I would expect them to rest players with it being the week before the semi.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "We've got a healthy record vs Hull and that before that cup loss we had won 8 on the trot against them including putting 50 on them at home and winning at home after losing 2 starters after 15 mins.
Hull have been great in the cup but their league form and performances haven't been anything to write home about and including a number of heavy defeats at home and a battering at Magic so I'm not entirely sold on them yet in the league - in the cup they just had a confidence from winning last year that helped them massively like us backing up in 2015 and Warrington run of wins.
Still a big question mark that they even make the playoffs imo now with a tough run of fixtures to come. Obviously backing up this week is really tough and then Wigan will be out for revenge and desperately needing to win to keep their chances alive. Wakey away will be tricky also even if some on here don't rate them they've usually been a tough side to beat at home and finally Cas away.'"
All season Radford has preached peaking for the big games, and so far we have done that perfectly whilst just doing enough to keep the points ticking over in the league. There was a point during last season where all 3 trophies were up for grabs and we seemed like we were treating every game like a final. That coupled with the euphoria of winning at Wembley just burned us out and we looked like a shell of the team from earlier in the year. At one point our record against the other top 5 teams in the league was something crazy like won 13 lost 1, and the loss was a one point defeat to Wigan that would have been a draw if not for a Liam Watts brain explosion in the last minute. Anyway my point in a roundabout way is that we were hugely consistent last year, and it got us nowhere in the end. The tone amongst the players was that despite the cup, last year was a failure. This year we have had some very good league performances (Cas at home with 12 men, double against Wigan, Salford away was as dominant as a team can be) but mostly we've just kept our powder dry and when we have had to turn up we have. All season the club has said that the GF is the goal and we won't settle for anything less. It remains to be seen how things pan out, but I think we are in a good place just now.
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| With that record V the top 5 last year it sounds like Hull's problem came against the 2016 SL dross such as their next opponent.
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| Quote: tvoc "With that record V the top 5 last year it sounds like Hull's problem came against the 2016 SL dross such as their next opponent.'"
Not entirely sure what point you're making there? Yes you beat us twice, as did Cas, and Huddersfield beat us at their place. My point is that league forms counts for nothing if you can't do it when it matters, as we found last year, so I'm not concerned about our league record this time around, as long as we make the top 4.
I expect Leeds to win tomorrow. If this fixture comes again in the playoffs I know Leeds are more than capable of winning it, but given our performances in knockout games this year I would have to back my side. Ideally, if we can't get a home tie I'm hoping we get to go to Cas, but after that final my nerves are still settling down and maybe a safe journey to third place with no stress is better. Not sure I can take a scenario where we have to win our last two to make the 4.
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "All season Radford has preached peaking for the big games, and so far we have done that perfectly whilst just doing enough to keep the points ticking over in the league. There was a point during last season where all 3 trophies were up for grabs and we seemed like we were treating every game like a final. That coupled with the euphoria of winning at Wembley just burned us out and we looked like a shell of the team from earlier in the year. At one point our record against the other top 5 teams in the league was something crazy like won 13 lost 1, and the loss was a one point defeat to Wigan that would have been a draw if not for a Liam Watts brain explosion in the last minute. Anyway my point in a roundabout way is that we were hugely consistent last year, and it got us nowhere in the end. The tone amongst the players was that despite the cup, last year was a failure. This year we have had some very good league performances (Cas at home with 12 men, double against Wigan, Salford away was as dominant as a team can be) but mostly we've just kept our powder dry and when we have had to turn up we have. All season the club has said that the GF is the goal and we won't settle for anything less. It remains to be seen how things pan out, but I think we are in a good place just now.'"
I get the point about aiming for the GF it's just st so are the other teams you'll be facing and they've not had to play a Wembley final and have been able to get ready for this final run of games for a couple of weeks now. That's the difference with this Super 8's structure, before you might run into a few easier fixtures post Wembley but now you're facing sides chasing the GF also and they'll just be as up for it as Hull but fresher. Maybe Hull will break the recent run of slumping after Wembley but I wouldn't be surprised if they go W1 L3 like the previous two post Wembley winners.
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| Quote: Wilde 3 "We play Wakefield at Home. If Wigan lose to Saints on Friday, then that is there chances of the 4 realistically over, and the game against Cas, I would expect them to rest players with it being the week before the semi.'"
Wigan are level on points with Saints ATM, a loss only puts them 2 behind so they'll still have all to play for going to yours, in fact they'll be in must win mode. I think Cas will rest players the next few games, for the final week vs you I think might want to go into the playoffs with momentum so will go strongest for that particular game more than any of the other remaining games.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "I get the point about aiming for the GF it's just st so are the other teams you'll be facing and they've not had to play a Wembley final and have been able to get ready for this final run of games for a couple of weeks now. That's the difference with this Super 8's structure, before you might run into a few easier fixtures post Wembley but now you're facing sides chasing the GF also and they'll just be as up for it as Hull but fresher. Maybe Hull will break the recent run of slumping after Wembley but I wouldn't be surprised if they go W1 L3 like the previous two post Wembley winners.'"
I get your point, it's definitely not going to be easy for us, but I think we learned alot from our experience last year. And 1 win may well be enough for 4th. Especially if it comes against Wigan or Wakefield.
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