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Quote: chapylad "For all those slating Baldwinson who has been given very little game time or it seems development.
Do you think we will be a better team with Ablett and JJB in our side the rest of this season and next season?
I also see Bentley now confirmed as going to Saints.
Now that imo is a big miss for Leeds.
The nearest best thing to come through the ranks since Bateman.'"


Would definitely have JJB (as a loose forward not 2nd row) over Baldwinson. Ablett is 2nd row and you can question his future but not for a prop.

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Quote: Frosties. "Baldwinson & Hallas are the main reason Bentley is joining St Helens and not us. The development pool for some youngsters just doesn't happen at our club.'"


Yeah no young English 2nd row would ever do well under McDermott and Leeds and be on the verge of being an England international

Regards Stevie Ward

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Quote: chapylad "For all those slating Baldwinson who has been given very little game time or it seems development.
Do you think we will be a better team with Ablett and JJB in our side the rest of this season and next season?
I also see Bentley now confirmed as going to Saints.
Now that imo is a big miss for Leeds.
The nearest best thing to come through the ranks since Bateman.'"


You're comparing Baldwinson to JJB, and Ablett who are back rowers, so it's hardly a fair comparison. Although, I'd still take JJB based on form this season as a 13. Baldwinson has hardly set the world alight for Fev this year either.
As for Bentley, time will tell, but we have the likes of Cam Smith, JJR and Sutcliffe coming through who we've all been told will be the dogs nads for the last couple of years, so we wouldn't want to sign Bentley anyway, and risk blocking their progress, would we? eusa_think.gif

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "You're comparing Baldwinson to JJB, and Ablett who are back rowers, so it's hardly a fair comparison. Although, I'd still take JJB based on form this season as a 13. Baldwinson has hardly set the world alight for Fev this year either.
As for Bentley, time will tell, but we have the likes of Cam Smith, JJR and Sutcliffe coming through who we've all been told will be the dogs nads for the last couple of years, so we wouldn't want to sign Bentley anyway, and risk blocking their progress, would we? Given that Ward aside our 1st choice BR's seem to be Ferres Ablett Delaney & Jjb when fit id say we need more than 3 kids to play there.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Singleton gets stick because he's barely improved in the 5 years he's been a regular in the first team. He's OK as a 4th prop, but I get the feeling the club are trying to make him into some kind of pack leader, but he simply can't do it. Compared to other young props in the league that have come through at the same time as him, he still looks the same as he did when he first came into the team.
As for Galloway, he is, and always has been twice the player Singleton is or will ever be. We've missed him massively in the last few games. If he was English people on here would rave about him.'"

Galloway is an average 30+ Aussie workhorse prop to say we've missed him says more about our average recruitment than how good he actually is.

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spot on. cuthbettson apart all the props are average work horses

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Quote: tad rhino "spot on. cuthbettson apart all the props are average work horses'"


Apart from Cuthbertson and Ward (I'm not including Parcell), all of our forwards are average workhorses

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Garbutt is consistently one of the highest average metre makers for props in the league. Averages 140m this year and likewise last year in a struggling team. Much underrated the yardage he makes for us.

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Quote: PrinterThe "Garbutt is consistently one of the highest average metre makers for props in the league. Averages 140m this year and likewise last year in a struggling team. Much underrated the yardage he makes for us.'"

after the Wakefield game I saw someone saying he added nothing to the team icon_lol.gif

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Quote: PrinterThe "Garbutt is consistently one of the highest average metre makers for props in the league. Averages 140m this year and likewise last year in a struggling team. Much underrated the yardage he makes for us.'"

Bang on! But we got beat so we are doomed, the players are mostly all $hit and the coach doesn't have the dressing room.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "Galloway is an average 30+ Aussie workhorse prop to say we've missed him says more about our average recruitment than how good he actually is.'"


It depends what you define as average. He was one of the most consistent props in the NRL for a decade, won rep honours, and came over at 29 so I'm not sure who we could've got at the time who was better, and he's been excellent when he's got a run of games. As for average recruitment, Ferres was a international back rower at the time we signed him, so again, not sure what more you could've asked for? As for workhorse props, What's wrong with being a workhorse prop? That's the job of a prop, in fact, I'd say we lack them at the club.
Our props when fit are, Cuthbertson, Galloway, Garbutt, Singleton and Mullaley. That's a very good group of props, but getting them all in the 17 at the same time has been the issue. Prop isn't where we're lacking, in terms of the squad, it's our lack of athletic back rowers who actually know how to run lines that needs addressing. Ward is a class above the rest of them. Sadly, non of the kids in the academy or on DR are anywhere near ready to replace the likes of Ferres, Ablett and JJB.

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Quote: Neruda "after the Wakefield game I saw someone saying he added nothing to the team
Nearly half of his appearances this year he's made over 150m, if that's nothing in someone's eyes then they need glasses.

His lowest total was 75m, put in perspective Singleton's average for the season is 77m.

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Quote: sgtwilko "Bang on! But we got beat so we are doomed'"


If Leeds play like they have in two of the last three games they'd struggle to beat Bradford next week. If they play like they did in the other outing it'll at least be a contest when St Helens are in town.

I think Leeds will bounce back this week but they need to lose this inconsistency if they want to get all the fans onside.

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Quote: Neruda "after the Wakefield game I saw someone saying he added nothing to the team
Was it McDermott? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Gotcha "Was it McDermott?
Well he allegedly blamed Parcell for the defeat on Sky despite never mentioning him once so who knows.

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