I'd like Cleary, a lot of the good groundwork that allowed the Penrith team to be as good as they were last year was done by him.

Agree seems like a guy with a lot of integrity too

I will say it again, if it wasn't for Segeyaro last year we finish dead last and struggle middle 8's. We are just going back down the same road again here.The dressing room needs a new voice and badly we cant just let it drift and fester and take beating after beating again because a Segeyaro is unlikely to bail us out this time if we fall into the middle 8s.

Morley promoted from academy coach it is then...knowing GH

Remember those days when we recruited real quality players. Today we just sign dross.

Leeds are a huge club and would have no trouble attracting a decent coach. If we can get Toovey then you can manage too.

The danger of sitting by and not doing anything allows this kind of display to become acceptable. You then lose the winning culture and become a side in decline. That's difficult to stop by just tinkering around the edges.

Going off thread slightly, what's your opinion of toovey.

We're not anywhere near close to Hetherington firing the trigger just yet.

We've not even reached the "open letter to the supporters" stage yet.

The irony is if the shirts were reversed, i.e. if Cas fielded our team and we fielded theirs, chances are based on the history of this fixture, it would have been close, if not Cas sneaking it.

I look across this board and people aren't debating what the weather might be tomorrow, they are denying what the weather was yesterday.

F*******g rediculous. This is a terrible Leeds squad, the great names we still have are old and injury prone, or simply playing well below their capability. The rest are just not good enough and never will be, particularly the 1980's "A" team standard pack we are in the process of assembling.

Hmm interesting saying the Honey Monster "won't get shut" McDermott is permanent staff so sacking is not really an option so are you suggesting he is made redundant? No can do as the role has not "ceased to exist" and IMHO I cannot see the arrogance of McDermott diminishing sufficient for him to fall on the sword so I think we are stuck with McDermott's inept attempts at excuse making for some time to come.

Hetherington however could be ousted by a vote of no confidence by the board and I would suggest that would change things immensely

McDermott doesn't think we were that bad in the first half.

McDermott. Doesn't. Think. We. Were. That. Bad. The. First. Half.

Amazing.

Its enough, its enough, cant you see me tapping out,

I have no problem with coaches trying to put a positive spin on things to the press, but to suggest we weren't that far off is way beyond ridiculous.

Ha thats a good point, lets just nick Toovey off Bradford! They are hardly in a position to be turning down transfer fees

Who are the assistant coaches at Cronulla?
Maybe that could resolve a number of problems?