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Quote: William Eve "Thanks for that.

It's a relief that none of the blame can legitimately be laid at the door of the coach himself.'"


My pleasure.

No need for to add any more fuel to the fire ignited by the usual suspects

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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "Whilst we didnt have the kind of season your having right now last year there were issues with players efforts commitment and there were apparently issues off the field. Things were addressed off the field personal were changed and a few key players brought in. There were calls for tony smith to go thankfully we didn't have a knee jerk reaction to sack him.

I think a similar thing is needed at Leeds, more help for Barry would help and for a few experienced players brought in a hooked n half backyard key and a prop could turn things around'"


Yes Warrington made the right decision and improved the squad especially in the creative organiser department. Having failed to do this at the end of last season we urgently need to give our coach the tools for the job and get rid of a couple of vastly overrated players who have a bad attitude.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Yes Warrington made the right decision and improved the squad especially in the creative organiser department. Having failed to do this at the end of last season we urgently need to give our coach the tools for the job and get rid of a couple of vastly overrated players who have a bad attitude.'"



We don't have players with a bad attitude, we have players realising they are not as good as thought. We only have a coach with a bad attitude, a coach who unlike the players can't seem to accept he is nowhere near as good as he thinks.

Finding another Sinfield and Peacock just like that so he has tools is not going to happen. Much easier to have a coach who is capable of getting a performance out of players. Yes we still need a player change, but we need a coach capable of managing that.

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Quote: Gotcha "We don't have players with a bad attitude, we have players realising they are not as good as thought. We only have a coach with a bad attitude, a coach who unlike the players can't seem to accept he is nowhere near as good as he thinks.

Finding another Sinfield and Peacock just like that so he has tools is not going to happen. Much easier to have a coach who is capable of getting a performance out of players. Yes we still need a player change, but we need a coach capable of managing that.'"


So speaks a critic whose opinion is that Hardaker is one of our best performers this year, and also is blind to how bad Watkins currently is and cannot see the fine qualities in Keinhorst. I rest my case.

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Quote: Gotcha "We don't have players with a bad attitude.'"


Oh come on you can't seriously believe that after some of the showings certain players are putting in. Just about everyone can see it in Hardaker but you unsurprisingly can't.

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Daryl Powell at Castleford (a smaller club with fewer resources than those afforded any coach at Leeds) has a large turnover of players from season to season including key players in key positions - yet they have not fallen in a heap. His players generally are perceived to perform to their maximum, he appears able to give them a structure to utilise their abilities and to get the best out of them. Why can't Brian?

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Quote: ThePrinter "Oh come on you can't seriously believe that after some of the showings certain players are putting in. Just about everyone can see it in Hardaker but you unsurprisingly can't.'"


All the players are playing the same. Why pick out one player? Yet you can't see a problem with the coach. Does that not say more about you? Is it really a bad attitude when all the players are showing contempt for the coach?

I would be quite happy to put a lot of money on it that an immediate change of coach would have a much bigger effect for the positive in this group of players, than any one or two players leaving would.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "So speaks a critic whose opinion is that Hardaker is one of our best performers this year, and also is blind to how bad Watkins currently is and cannot see the fine qualities in Keinhorst. I rest my case.'"


Of course I have said nothing of the sort anywhere, but you know that really.

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Quote: tvoc "Daryl Powell at Castleford (a smaller club with fewer resources than those afforded any coach at Leeds) has a large turnover of players from season to season including key players in key positions - yet they have not fallen in a heap. His players generally are perceived to perform to their maximum, he appears able to give them a structure to utilise their abilities and to get the best out of them. Why can't Brian?'"

Why can't the players tackle? The players, at the very least, share responsibility for this mess. If we were mid-table and just cruising along then it being about the coach not getting the best out of players might be a legitimate point.

Getting hammered at the bottom of the table and conceding simple tries points to different issues than simply the coach. Especially a coach that has so recently proved he could get the best out of the players.

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Quote: Gotcha "All the players are playing the same. Why pick out one player? Yet you can't see a problem with the coach. Does that not say more about you? Is it really a bad attitude when all the players are showing contempt for the coach?

I would be quite happy to put a lot of money on it that an immediate change of coach would have a much bigger effect for the positive in this group of players, than any one or two players leaving would.'"


Oh like I've said the coach deserves his share of the blame but the players are just as culpable.

All players are playing the same? Nonsense. Unless you think the efforts the likes of Keinhorst and Lilley are putting in are being matched all around which they most definitely aren't.

We have a small group of guys trying for the whole match. We then have a group of guys who start off trying but heads drop after we go 2/3 scores behind. We also have a group of guys who aren't in it from the start.

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Quote: Him "Why can't the players tackle? The players, at the very least, share responsibility for this mess. If we were mid-table and just cruising along then it being about the coach not getting the best out of players might be a legitimate point.

Getting hammered at the bottom of the table and conceding simple tries points to different issues than simply the coach. Especially a coach that has so recently proved he could get the best out of the players.'"

Is that Leeds mindset of unconscious complacency you've alluded to still a prevalent issue? If so, isn't the coach responsible for eradicating it?

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Quote: William Eve "Is that Leeds mindset of unconscious complacency you've alluded to still a prevalent issue? If so, isn't the coach responsible for eradicating it?'"


Maybe it's effecting all of Headingley......20-3 Yorkshire already I believe vs Lancashire

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There's a core of players who know they are going to get selected regardless of performance as there are no viable alternatives.

That's fine when all are performing well. When they're not, the lack of competition for places creates complacency that the coach doesn't seem to be able to eradicate - or indeed by his post match comments seem interested in doing so.

The failure of the Academy to produce players capable of challenging the incumbents for first team places is coming back to bite Leeds in the backside. Barrie McDermott's tenure as head of youth is starting to stink the place out.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Oh come on you can't seriously believe that after some of the showings certain players are putting in. Just about everyone can see it in Hardaker but you unsurprisingly can't.'"


I would agree on Hardaker but his issue isn't on the field its off it - he tries on the field but he isn't as fit as he should be so he isn't as effective as he should be.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Maybe it's effecting all of Headingley......20-3 Yorkshire already I believe vs Lancashire'"

Or even affecting?

Headingley isn't responsible for Yorkshire's decline towards WBCCR this season. The loss of Jonny Bairstow most definitely is.

3/29 now - reporting live from Headingley via a morse code device. Can't utilise smoke signals as its a smokeless zone here.

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