The dick measuring on this forum is embarrassing.

Splitting hairs. If players are not fully fit they cannot train effectively and the whole session is diminished and they cannot be overworked either.

Can't say I've heard him name certain players. He's been saying recently that he's got several players who haven't trained during the week but have played on game day.

Excellent news.

Lui's inclusion definitely changes the dynamics and the odds.

Losing 14-0 certainly SLWBR now!!

I don`t care if we win tonight or not - if a team do not know what to do on the 5th tackle, as we don`t once again - it is the COACH who is at fault - he has to go - NOW.

Ah...but....maybe McDermott does coach them and then on match day they simply do not implement his ideas.

You would think that maybe seasoned professionals might know what to do themselves though on 5th tackles: not as though it's a new concept for this season...is it?

To be fair we forced plenty of repeat sets tonight, it was what was happening on tackles 1-5 that was the problem

Oh dear

You do realise he prefers it when Leeds lose?

That's just it, we didn't exactly force repeat sets, it appeared that Salford were perfectly comfortable defending their line, and took the easy option a few times. At one stage I think we had four sets on the trot, and you never thought here's s try. The main reason is that every time the shape wax set up, Burrow took a different option to his team mates.

Burrow is far better miles away from the oppossition line than he is within range. He needs to be told to stay out of it, once within range.

There were some positives last night, work rate for one. Some of them worked their balls off for one, even including Achurch. But the options always seemed to fall on Garbutt or Ablett running it in. Garbutt must have made loads of metres, as he seemed to be carrying the ball continuously. Sutcliffe looked very comfortable at centre, far better than in the halfs.

That's it for me though, will refrain from away games until the middle eights now. Just too much money for what they are serving up. It was certainly better than Wakefield and Hull KR though.

That didn't quite work out as you expected.

Whilst I agree with you on the basic mistakes he makes, come on, he absolutely ran his blood to water last night. However, I have said for last few years, that it is his work rate that causes his errors so can't be too contradictory.

Effort with no quality is just that, effort and at this level it isn't enough