If the rumours are true and he wanted rid of Burrow and get a half back in but was over ruled then I would agree he should be given a bit of slack.

What is hard to take is the poor performances of many of the players - they just don't seem committed?

I'm not sure i would say not commited, but it certainly seems like a few of them just expect things will just happen without laying the platform first. Also, would like to add our work at the ruck is just awful at the minute, scruffy as hell and teams are just controlling us from there.It's happened every single game bar the opener against wire, and needs sorting asap.

I though that too, easy meters every time.

I'm not sure i agree that the players are not committed. There was no lack of effort last night just no organisation and creativity. This coupled with several senior players out of form leads to displays like last night.

I don't think commitment is the issue, there's still plenty of people putting the work in. Teams are putting loads of effort into stopping the offload game, and we don't have a plan B. Cas scored two tries where they made a gap for someone to walk through untouched, when was the last time we did that?

I also agree with Biff, we do not win any ruck atm no matter how many numbers we put in. Not saying we need to be uber wrestlers but we need to better, at the minute it's leading to penalties and worse, quick ball for the opposition.

For me defence is a about commitment and we are letting so many easy tries I just we are not as committed to defending our line as we were in 2015

agree with this and plenty of the other comments about organisation etc. the one key thing tempering my disappointment a bit is the the unquantifiable impact of losing the training ground. The article from rhinos website posted elsewhere by printer mentioned loss of the wrestle room and other facilities they have built. Is this key to how weak we appear at both collision and ptb? From that we are always on Back foot. One thing you can practice in a park is open play kicking and last tackle kicking - no evidence we are doing anything.

But surely you can practice some wrestling just on grass, at the end of the day that's where the game is played?

As you say kicking is the biggest issue, I wonder if Mac has instructed any one player to take command (It sure doesn't look like it). Or he's just left it to the players to sort out, in which case one of them needs to grow some, because at the minute it seems they're all scared of messing it up on the 5th, shifting it to someone else which ironically leeds to us messing up on the 5th...

They do all the wrestle stuff in a type of padded cell. We might all be in one by end of season

not heard that rumour. Why would he go from that to making burrow captain in mcguires absence

Lack of suitable alternatives!!

Because rumours sound juicer. He could've given it to Hardaker who he's praised recently for his leadership or to JJB on his return.

Hardaker will never be captain in a month of Sundays. Petulant wind up merchant.

Not a chance to give to Hardaker before Burrow - JJB wasn't fit to play at game 2 so as I said lack of suitable alternative.

And serial miscreant.