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| Quote: TOMCAT "Gotcha, clarify your stance for me, are you suggesting that Child is given free reign by the RFL regardless of whether he is competent because he is gay?'"
Free reign? I am suggesting that Child would not be handled the same way as another ref for incompetence, because yet again proven by a second post from Smokey TA. This is what would be levied at them.
I don't believe for one minute however there is a club agenda by Child, I think he is equally incompetent who ever is involved in his matches. And that is the question to be asked on why the RFL ignore this.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Free reign? I am suggesting that Child would not be handled the same way as another ref for incompetence, because yet again proven by a second post from Smokey TA. This is what would be levied at them.
I don't believe for one minute however there is a club agenda by Child, I think he is equally incompetent who ever is involved in his matches. And that is the question to be asked on why the RFL ignore this.'"
That you cannot tell the difference between what you are saying/doing and your pattern of behaviour and the RFL having to discipline a referee for incompetence only confirms what your bigotry is telling us about your intelligence.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "That you cannot tell the difference between what you are saying/doing and your pattern of behaviour and the RFL having to discipline a referee for incompetence only confirms what your bigotry is telling us about your intelligence.'"
As I said, rather than giving a point to disprove the opinion, you back it up fully in your posts, by showing what is suggested of those that highlight the problem.
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| Thanks for the clarification Gotcha
Quote: Gotcha "Free reign? I am suggesting that Child would not be handled the same way as another ref for incompetence, because yet again proven by a second post from Smokey TA. This is what would be levied at them.'"
I hope and believe that you are wrong about this, but don't have any evidence to support my belief that that is the case.
Quote: Gotcha "I don't believe for one minute however there is a club agenda by Child, I think he is equally incompetent who ever is involved in his matches. And that is the question to be asked on why the RFL ignore this.'"
I suspect the answer to this has already been given, see below
Quote: Gotcha "The reason James Child is a full time referee is because he is amongst the best we have. He is amongst the best we have because very [ifew[/i people volunteer to referee, partly because of people like you.'"
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| Quote: Gotcha "As I said, rather than giving a point to disprove the opinion, you back it up fully in your posts, by showing what is suggested of those that highlight the problem.'"
hitchens razor. What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
You haven't highlighted a problem at all, you have invented a problem that plays in to your own bigotry. Nobody has any duty to disprove that.
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| Do I think child's get treated differently because of his sexuality...No
But I do think he is a rubbish ref. he hasn't got an agenda against any one team think he is fairly consistently bad for all sides.
Regarding the Hardaker incident people are refering to I don't condone what was said but I don't think the incident puts child in a very good light either. He either lied in his report after the game saying he heard it when he didn't or he is that incompetent that someone said that to him and he took no action on field at all not even a word with the player
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "hitchens razor. What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
You haven't highlighted a problem at all, you have invented a problem that plays in to your own bigotry. Nobody has any duty to disprove that.'"
How erudite - sadly beyond the comprehension of the individual at which it was directed.
Anyone who thinks Child was in the wrong at Warrington needs to serious look in the mirror and ask themselves some very serious questions.
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| Quote: Ferdy "Do I think child's get treated differently because of his sexuality...No
But I do think he is a rubbish ref. he hasn't got an agenda against any one team think he is fairly consistently bad for all sides.
Regarding the Hardaker incident people are refering to I don't condone what was said but I don't think the incident puts child in a very good light either. He either lied in his report after the game saying he heard it when he didn't or he is that incompetent that someone said that to him and he took no action on field at all not even a word with the player'"
Maybe he didn't hear - one thing is certain Hardaker said it - how anyone can defend what he said defies belief.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Maybe he didn't hear - one thing is certain Hardaker said it - how anyone can defend what he said defies belief.'"
Not trying to defend what was said it was poor and not acceptable, but as I say he has either lied which is worrying or just incompetent
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| Quote: TOMCAT "
I suspect the answer to this has already been given, see below
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But it isn't is it. Across the whole of Super League, each and every week, fans of all clubs moan about the incompetence of Child. Not because of his sexuality, but because of his incompetence. It isn't a one club agenda, it is all. When the questions of best refs coming up on other boards, Child is alwYs bottom of the pile. Therefore he is far from one of our best.
The problem with Smokey TA reasoning is that everything is homophobic if opinions are made. The RFL dealt with Alibert for incompetence, and he wasn't as bad on such a consistent basis as Child. But he was dealt with for that reason. I have no idea of his sexuality, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out he is not homosexual.
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| You still fail to understand.
Its a good job you assume Alibert to be heterosexual because your argument would be f'cked if we don't make that assumption wouldn't it. Its convenient that your unproven, unevidenced assumption about something you admit you have 'no idea' about allows you to push your bigotry.
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| Quote: Gotcha "But it isn't is it. Across the whole of Super League, each and every week, fans of all clubs moan about the incompetence of Child. Not because of his sexuality, but because of his incompetence. It isn't a one club agenda, it is all. When the questions of best refs coming up on other boards, Child is alwYs bottom of the pile. Therefore he is far from one of our best.
The problem with Smokey TA reasoning is that everything is homophobic if opinions are made. The RFL dealt with Alibert for incompetence, and he wasn't as bad on such a consistent basis as Child. But he was dealt with for that reason. I have no idea of his sexuality, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out he is not homosexual.'"
You still don't get it - whether Child is the worst referee in RL - which he isn't - Hardaker's outburst is beyond any kind of support. The fact you don't understand that suggests your judgement is questionable at best.
Stop digging you already have a hole you cannot get out of - keeping going is doing you no favours. I appreciate this is not the SS way but sometimes you have to admit you are wrong!!
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I'm not going to be 'suttle' some people are a f#cking embarrassment to our game. And none of them were on the field on Friday.
At least have the strength of character to own your homophobia, don't hide behind pathetic insidious bigotry.'"
Hahaha
Just because some people aren't afraid of broaching a subject that others are scared to talk about because it makes them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't make them homophobic.
I don't know for sure my opinion is correct but it's quite amusing that those on the other side of the debate say it's DEFINITELY NOT to do with that. How do you know?
That you can label people homophobic and bigots based on this one opinion on a referee without knowing anything else about the persons in question just shows you up to be uninformed, scared, uncomfortable and lacking decency. I threw out a suggestion of whether his sexuality plays a part in him getting matches that his performances haven't merited. If people don't agree with that then fair enough , but I never threw insults at Child......yet you come along all hysterical and start throwing insults such as bigot and homophobe around at people who you don't agree with and who you don't know personally to make those sort of claims.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Hahaha
Just because some people aren't afraid of broaching a subject that others are scared to talk about because it makes them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't make them homophobic.
I don't know for sure my opinion is correct but it's quite amusing that those on the other side of the debate say it's DEFINITELY NOT to do with that. How do you know?
That you can label people homophobic and bigots based on this one opinion on a referee without knowing anything else about the persons in question just shows you up to be uninformed, scared, uncomfortable and lacking decency. I threw out a suggestion of whether his sexuality plays a part in him getting matches that his performances haven't merited. If people don't agree with that then fair enough , but I never threw insults at Child......yet you come along all hysterical and start throwing insults such as bigot and homophobe around at people who you don't agree with and who you don't know personally to make those sort of claims.'"
Again it doesn't matter whether he is the best or the worst referee - the insult was beyond the realms of acceptable behaviour. How else do describe somebody who thinks it is OK to call anyone what Hardaker called Child. Next it will be OK to call Watkins a N.....? Then you would be jumping out of your little box!!
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Hahaha
Just because some people aren't afraid of broaching a subject that others are scared to talk about because it makes them feel "uncomfortable" doesn't make them homophobic.
I don't know for sure my opinion is correct but it's quite amusing that those on the other side of the debate say it's DEFINITELY NOT to do with that. How do you know?
That you can label people homophobic and bigots based on this one opinion on a referee without knowing anything else about the persons in question just shows you up to be uninformed, scared, uncomfortable and lacking decency. I threw out a suggestion of whether his sexuality plays a part in him getting matches that his performances haven't merited. If people don't agree with that then fair enough , but I never threw insults at Child......yet you come along all hysterical and start throwing insults such as bigot and homophobe around at people who you don't agree with and who you don't know personally to make those sort of claims.'"
Don't wear your 'bravery' in lobbing insidious and bigoted accusations as a badge of honour.
What kind of moron thinks that they are being brave by diminishing someones accomplishments by claiming it a product of their sexuality?
Your hypocrisy is outstanding, its like the worlds fattest man, not really something you would want to replicate, and you know its unhealthy and bad for the person but the sheer commitment to such wrongness is somewhat impressive.
Its laughable that you managed to type all that without they blatant hypocrisy slapping you in the face like a big wet fish. You want to call me uninformed, scared, uncomfortable and lacking decency for accusing you of being homophobic without knowing anything else about the person in question, Yet you were proudly comfortable with suggesting that Child's achievements as a referee were a product of his sexuality without......guess what......knowing anything else about the person in question.
Its funny how many bigots think they are the ones under attack and needing to speak out. Its good that you do because invariably when you do speak out your ideas are shown to be nonsense and your prove yourself to not be all that smart.
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