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I had a bit of a fekwit weekend with over celebrating our success and frankly some of the more negative contributions on here leading up to the game I found where really starting to mickey me off. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Gotcha "You can tell aswell. People seem to miss these things because of how damn good he is.

Peacock has not even played at 50% to what he was last season, although Saturday was a big step up. The fact he is so good, is that 50% is more than enough to be better than whom he is playing with and against.

Put people still expecting him to put it in week in week out, going forward and forward, are kidding themselves. I said it the other week, that each year that passes after mid 30's it gets harder and harder still.'"


I will freely accept that he may not have been quite as awesome this year as last, but I am curious, where is this "50%" figure coming from? How are you quantifying that, and what numbers back it up?

Less than half the minutes? Less than half the metres? Less than half the carries, tackles, offloads?

I get the point you're making, but the claim that his contribution is less than half of last season's is a bit exaggerated, surely? I've probably only seen half the games this year, so perhaps he has been absolute bilge in the other half, but he's been pretty close to being the best forward on the park in most of the games I have seen.

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I've always found that 80% of the claims/statements that people make on here are incorrect: + or - 10% for statistical error.

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Quote: El Diablo "I will freely accept that he may not have been quite as awesome this year as last, but I am curious, where is this "50%" figure coming from? How are you quantifying that, and what numbers back it up?

Less than half the minutes? Less than half the metres? Less than half the carries, tackles, offloads?

I get the point you're making, but the claim that his contribution is less than half of last season's is a bit exaggerated, surely? I've probably only seen half the games this year, so perhaps he has been absolute bilge in the other half, but he's been pretty close to being the best forward on the park in most of the games I have seen.'"



What do you want me to say, he is half the player he was last season? out of interest, do you pick up on the coaches also when they say he is only playing at 60%, etc?

You did understand really, I am sure. Last season Peacock was so far ahead of others, including world rugby. He is still the top of this comp. But not to the level he was last season. He was producing performances last year like Saturday on most weeks. Saturdays performance was his best of the year by some distance. As I said, he is still the top player, but his level of performance is not as good as last season. And I can understand that.

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Quote: Gotcha "What do you want me to say, he is half the player he was last season? do you pick up on the coaches also when they say he is only playing at 60%, etc?

You did understand really. Last season Peacock was so far ahead of people, including world rugby. He is still the top of this comp. But nowhere near to what he was last season. He was producing performances last year like Saturday on most weeks. Saturdays performance was his best of the year by some distance. As I said, he is still the top player, but his level of performance is not as good as last season. And I can understand that.'"


I don't entirely disagree with you, but bad stats is a bit of a bugbear of mine (and to answer the first question, yes, that sort of thing irritates me, see also Clarke, P). Quantifying things, by it's nature, requires numbers to back it up.

In this instance, I doubt you would claim he is actually half as effective this year (woukld you?). But that is what 50% means, so the mis-use of "stats" actually vastly exaggerated (unless anyone can see any numbers that I'm missing) the problem.

And yes, I did understand. I even said so in my post. I not only understood, but I agreed with you. I would give the guy a week's recovery to be in a position to unleash him fresh and at full power at Wembley.

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Quote: El Diablo "I don't entirely disagree with you, but bad stats is a bit of a bugbear of mine (and to answer the first question, yes, that sort of thing irritates me, see also Clarke, P). Quantifying things, by it's nature, requires numbers to back it up.

In this instance, I doubt you would claim he is actually half as effective this year (woukld you?). But that is what 50% means, so the mis-use of "stats" actually vastly exaggerated (unless anyone can see any numbers that I'm missing) the problem.

And yes, I did understand. I even said so in my post. I not only understood, but I agreed with you. I would give the guy a week's recovery to be in a position to unleash him fresh and at full power at Wembley.'"

JP said he is going into RL Commentary when he retires, so I asked if he'd please replace Phil Clarke.....He just laughed. Looks like Clarkey isn't just a big hit with the Fans icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Middleton_Loiner "JP said he is going into RL Commentary when he retires, so I asked if he'd please replace Phil Clarke.....He just laughed. Looks like Clarkey isn't just a big hit with the Fans
He will be good at.

yesterday his brief analysis of the Leeds game was better than anything else knocking around. He speaks with belief and the context of what he says is noteworthy. For example he commented on the Carney ban and took the bull by the horns and just said 'there probably wasn't any malice but you can't go round doing that. Fair ban'.

Compare him to the likes of cringe worthy Clarke, Robbie Paul darting round the warm up which means nothing or Brian Noble going on about hurricanes called Brenda.

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Quote: thebloodbath "He will be good at.

yesterday his brief analysis of the Leeds game was better than anything else knocking around. He speaks with belief and the context of what he says is noteworthy. For example he commented on the Carney ban and took the bull by the horns and just said 'there probably wasn't any malice but you can't go round doing that. Fair ban'.

Compare him to the likes of cringe worthy Clarke, Robbie Paul darting round the warm up which means nothing or Brian Noble going on about hurricanes called Brenda.'"


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The thing with Peacock is he doesn't talk in cliches (something Crabtree falls into on TV, but doesn't do on the radio for some reason), and if he says something his opinion commands respect because he's been there, seen it, done it.

The speaking work he's done through No White Flag has really improved his chances of getting a media job when he retires. He's much clearer than he was even four or five years ago in front of a microphone.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "The thing with Peacock is he doesn't talk in cliches (something Crabtree falls into on TV, but doesn't do on the radio for some reason), and if he says something his opinion commands respect because he's been there, seen it, done it.

The speaking work he's done through No White Flag has really improved his chances of getting a media job when he retires. He's much clearer than he was even four or five years ago in front of a microphone.'"


Totally agree, his media training is now starting to pay dividends.
Hardaker would be advised to listen & learn from JP in this area.
I do also like John Wilkin who comes across IMV (not popular on here I'm sure) as someone who can string words together.
Re Crabtree I do not like people who cannot (or will not) pronounce "th" correctly, it is not "f" or "v".
Something I blame East Enders for.

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Never heard such rubbish in all my life Gotcha , Peacock has been magnificent again all year and only slightly down on last (50% d040.gif ) even fans on other forums have been tipping him for top 3 in man of steel again

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Crunched some of the numbers on Peacock's performances from last year to this. They come up with JP doing 3 carries fewer per game, and making 0.5m less per carry he takes up. Average metres per game dropped from ~160m to ~130m.

Contrastingly, Kylie is doing an average of 2 carries more per game, and making 0.8m more per carry taken up. Average metres per game has gone up from ~90m to ~110m.

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At the start of the season, Leuluai did seem to be doing slightly longer first stints than we had been used to. More like 20-25 minutes rather than 15-18.

Not really noticed whether that has continued as the season has gone on.

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Quote: Worlds Apart "Crunched some of the numbers on Peacock's performances from last year to this. They come up with JP doing 3 carries fewer per game, and making 0.5m less per carry he takes up. Average metres per game dropped from ~160m to ~130m. .'"


what stats are you using to get the 130m per game average?

i cant find the stats for the challenge cup games he's played, but according to the Super League website he's made 2900 metres in 18 matches this season, which is just more than 160 per game.

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Quote: fredster23199 "Does anyone remember what happened to Wire in 2012? They played London the week before the cup final and ended up losing 62-18 or something to that effect. If my memory serves me correctly they put out a weakened side, so I don't think we should go down the same path. I'd say rest some of the older players (Peacock) and blood some youngsters but don't go overboard. Because, y'know, more points and winning the league an' all.'"

But did Wire win the one that mattered?I would rest 1 to13 and play a fringe side.Surely the u19s can give a good account of themselves against London.

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