Will just say here, and I am not disagreeing with you on Bailey getting dropped, that JJB does that defensive lapse on the line week after week when he is in the side. Infact within two seconds of coming on last week, he did the very same thing, flying out of the line, leaving a massive gap that Cas did capitalise on, but just lucky that his team mate saved him.

Unless you are suggesting the same dropping, then of course you point would be ridiculed as just biase.

No the errors are not the same. One of JJB's attributes is his speed off the line, unfortunately this does sometime result in leaving a gap especially if his teammates are slow off the line. JJB added vital energy and line speed in defence when he came on which was a major factor in Leeds gaining the momentum as he drove defenders back over the gain line.

Now Bailey' error was quite a different kettle of fish. He can never be accused of coming out of the line quickly now can he? He had just taken a position on his own between the posts and Hardaker (assuming they were going to attack to their left) called for more bodies as cover. Bailey without first checking that his outside man (Ablett) would take his place (to the left of the markers) just left a giant hole that Ablett had no time to fill. For such an experienced defender to make such a blunder which cost us 6 points cannot be compared equally with our (JJB led )rushed defence that has been missing over our recent slump.

Not a droppable error, just in your mind.

What are Ward and Walters' tackle stats like compared to numbers? In terms of tackle efficiency etc? As you can't proclaim Ward to be doing a better job than Bailey defesivley? I bet Bails has only just missed 7 or so tackles this season let alone in one game! I like Walters and I like the way he has been dripped into the team, one for the future.

For me Bails has had plenty of rests this seasons so he's good to go, and Mac seems to be getting his preferred 17 out there now. So we'll see what he runs with. Could expect a couple of key rests next week before the big semi.

As I said. Showing obvious biase can only result in ridicule. You can not blame JJB's defensive brain farts on his team mates. They are coming up correctly. The whole idea is you come as a line, not a lone ranger. Ok if you pull it off, but your problem if it fails.

JJB did add vital energy when he came on, but the very first set in defence he left that yawning gap, that Castleford did exploit, and his team mate rescued him from it. You only had to look at JJB's face when it happened to realise how he felt.

Like I said, if you want to use these reasons to drop someone, then it needs to be consistent across the players.

I was always going on about struggling PHYSICALLY (and mentally) after big games. He misread the ORGINAL point to go on about Castleford's squad depth and strength.

That he highlighted that Cas made 5 changes only helps my point. They made a chunk of changes and STILL looked tired in both games I mentioned. That they made changes should've added energy to the team, maybe the guys in weren't as good as the normal starters but still they were better than to be 18-4 down to Hull shortly after halftime.

I made a simple observation about Cas looking tired, he went on a tangent about squad depth, quality, rotation and rest. Simple as. Similar to how I simply said I thought HKR defended well the previous week and he couldn't take it and had to resort to saying I think everything about Leeds is great and we only don't score because the opposition defence is fantastic......when in reality I've been one of the most vocal about lack of finishing ability and a need for a coach to improve attack.

When he can stick to the thing being debated and what the poster actually said instead of twisting it I might bother replying to him in the future. If he continues to alter what I or other posters say to push his view then I won't.

Upon recent posts about this board becoming same-old same-old arguments and it annoying people I am going to make an effort on my behalf to refrain from it as I can accept and admit that I'm a key part of that issue, perhaps he might realise the same but I won't hold my breathe.....as he said in reply to your post I was "pointing out his (my) incorrect view".....everybody on here feels their right and some push it more harder than others (myself included) but no one is as stubborn and guilty of looking down his nose at differing views as Gotcha.

Team named as:
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Leuluai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
11. Ablett
12. Walters
13. JJB

14. Sutcliffe
15. Minchella
16. Singleton
17. Ward

Give it up Printer, you sound like a blithering idiot. Let's get facts right, you said that Cas can not handle it physically two matches on the trot, and look tired, and repeated it above. You backed this up by declaring their defeats after big matches prove it.

All I did is point out that they made changes each time after big games, to keep their important players fresh, and they do not have the squad strength of other teams, hence the defeats. There is no proof at all to say Cas can not go a few games with top performances if they have their first choice players. The truth is, instead of reading it for what it was, your paranoia in looking to defend our coach got the better of you, even though there was no reference in the least about Leeds.

As for stubborn, as we have seen with your previous lies on stats, which tvoc embarrassed you on, you didn't even have the decency there to accept you were wrong. So please don't preach to others. You have completely fog knit on this thread. Just accept you were wrong and move on.

We absolutely need a consistent quick PTB tonight, if not I think we're gonna struggle

Liking Walters at 2nd row instead of loose. Bench looks a bit 'back row heavy'.

Yep I agree with that. Be interesting to see how McGuire & Burrow do back at half back together without Sinfield.
As you say, speed and energy is obviously our tactic tonight.

Yep. Might see JJB at prop for a bit tonight, though hopefully Singleton will get plenty of game time.

Not sure about silverwood so far...

Salford have had a couple of lucky knock-on/ball steal calls and a couple of obstructions not given.