Really? You didn't see us in 2011 or 2012?

When you beat us by more, ONLY an 18 point winning margin for Wire tonight considering it was their best of the year and our Worst is more worrying for their fans tonight I reckon.

We were so bad you'd put 40/50 points past us in previous years, and you still couldn't lift the GF then.

But this year we've been well below, I even had Leeds easy on the predictions

Oh well if you had them on your predictions that settles it.....we're fu**ed!

Tbh I think Leeds fans could see this coming. I think we've been getting worse over recent weeks while Wire have been getting better. After a recent game McDermott admitted we had some very tired bodies and I think we played like that tonight, coupled with a poor kicking game and an enthusiastic Wire side.

I think McDermott had it spot on in his post match interview, not enough Leeds players wanted the ball and we were soft in the forwards.

So we're rubbish and put 18 on you! Agreed a wire team of 2/3 years ago would've got 40 but we can't cope with your upper hand. You did us by two points in that semi and deserved that grand final 8 point victory. I wish us wire fans would ignore the two Wembley mullerings we gave you along with the recent league batterings. When was the last time you absolutely battered us? Genuine question. It's one semi and one final to you and two finals to us as I see it recently! Feel free to dismiss us. You have the best back five by a long way but other than the God jp I looked at your pack tonight as very very weak

Same problems as previous two defeats :-
1. Enthusiastic opposition rolled us over.
2. Pack made up of too many 30 plus who are struggling to cope.
3. Ablett aside - rest of pack are light weight.
4.Half backs are slow,slow slow ! We desperately need some pace.
5. No good blaming the backs when the forwards & half backs don't perform !

I don't buy this players are tired rubbish - they have played 4 intense games and got beat in three and drew one. These are professional athletes surely one game a week isn't beyond them?

The problem is the key players are too old and too slow. McGuire is slow but he is positively Bolt like compared to Sinfield. We need some pace in the halves if we are to ever get the best out of the back line. McDermott needs to decide what he is doing with Sutcliffe - at the moment this confusion isn't helping the attacking formation.

Printer can say what he likes but having both starting props who are nearer 40 than 30 is going to impact team performance. You cannot defy biomechanics!! Why not start Singleton and use one or the other as an impact player.

The hooking position is an issue at the moment I would keep going Ward - he will never get up to speed watching from the stands.

The comments about only losing by 18 and it would have been 40 previously I ask this - is that because Leeds' defence is so much better or because without Briers Warrington aren't the attacking force they once were?

Our pack is getting bullied by hungrier, younger more aggressive packs. As well as legally, there's plenty of niggely cheap shots we receive that in the past opposing players wouldn't have got away with. Rather than deal with it ourselves, we plead to the ref - "did you see what he just did?".

Most of the team let themselves down last night.

This last tackle chaos needs to stop as well. This tactic of slinging the ball out wide and letting an outside back hoof it down field is amateur. I understand it happens if there's too much pressure on one of the half backs but even when there isn't McGuire passes it on.

To all those critising McGuire, Sinfield was equally poor. The only time he's effective is when he's spelled at hooker.

And while I'm at it, Peacock's first half performance was woeful. As bad as Barrie McDermott's at home against Bradford the week before we placed Hull in the CC Final.

He should have been spelled after 20 minutes.

Brian McD cannot control JP he is a law to himself. If the coach tried to pull him off he'd tell him where to go.

Peacock in particular - Wigan had his number at HQ and the magic and Warrington certainly had his number last night and that was after a week off.

The thought of him and Kylie trotting around for another season doesn't give me glowing feeling

We did lift the Challenge Cup, very convincingly, in 2012 though.

Singleton should be getting more starts IMO, he is by far more affective when starting games, from the bench he just doesn't get enough minutes.

We didn't run or tackle hard enough and although we never gave in, we were beaten by a much better side on the night.

Peacock although not great going forward last night he works his blood to water every week, kirke for his size doesn't offer Anything on a consistent basis.

Losing achurch early was a big blow, hopefully he's not out for too long as he's been a real positive this year. Ablett again outstanding in his efforts, but is likely to cop a ban, and I notice on twitter zak is getting ripped over allegedly calling James child a effin fag, the clip doesn't look good for zak, so depending on what the RFL make of it he could also cop a ban.

I don't see what Child would object to - his sexual status is widely known, who cares?

These are players in an extreme situation of physical and mental pressure letting off steam is completely necessary