Last thing you should be doing with 16-18 year old kids is flog them in the gym or bulk them up too quickly. I'm happy to let the educated professionals in these matters set out fitness and strength programmes for the young players. Unless you know better, obviously?

I would take him for sure.JP aside,as it stands he is probably better than all our other options at prop and provides great impact from the bench.

Carvell would instantly be our second best prop, which says quite a lot about our current front-row options.

Serious question. Why is it that everyting that Leeds decides, and inparticular since McDermott came, it is accepted that this is the right way as the "professionals" have decided, even if it is different to other clubs? Are the other clubs not "professional"?

Not saying either is wrong, just asking why. As since McDermott came he does seem to do a lot of things different to other coaches.

Signing a older prop doesn't solve the problem it masks it and the issue will rear its head 12 months down the line.

Leeds need another prop. Moore's gone. Yates injured. Let's sign one who can bed in amongst the team.

Perhaps they could work on there ball skills, their speed etc or that also too much for 18 year old to take - as a competition we are well behind the skill levels and techniques used in the NRL. You maybe think McDermott knows it all - and you are entitled to that opinion - but don't feel at ease when criticising his substitution policy, his lack of creative attack etc. you cannot have it both ways.

Who brought McDermott into the discussion?

The strength and conditioning team - so highly regarded that one of them has just been poached to run his own department - will be involved in setting the gym programmes for young players. It's their judgement, backed up by professional expertise and qualifications that I trust.

There does seem to be a tendency on here for some posters to take any counterpoint to their own views that the club is doing everything wrong as somehow being based on blind faith and ignorance.

I disagree bloodbath. Carvell would do a job for this year as stated on the basis we only currently have one decent prop in the first team. That should give the likes of Yates time to recover and earn his place in the team. If you think what we have at front row will do anything this year then think again. Kylie and JP will be dead on their feet by June. We need some back up and IMO Carvell should be that man.

Practices that have changed since McDermotts arrival. I bet this highly regarded one does things differently at Salford.

Your last sentence is valid, but there is never acceptance of anything wrong. It's one camp or another is how it's portrayed.

Would carvell be happy with a 12 month deal at his age?

Leeds always like to hand out the 1 year extensions, so in reality I can't see the appointment of Carvell being a 12 month option.

Also why not bring Ali back, he could do a job for us.

Probably not but his options might be somewhat limited at such short notice, in so far as wealthier clubs may already be at the SC limit and others at the limit of what they can afford. No guarantees that the remaining few with cash (if any) would see an aging prop as a priority requirement either.

You might be right about Ali but I do think Carvell might go for a one year contract with a further one year option on both sides. All this depends if the Bulls need to offload of course. Again we do need someone and I would prefer someone younger but there's not much available out there. Maybe the guy México might be an option.

Apologies if I've missed the reasons but I'm surprised you guys didn't bring Amor back to the club given the way he appears to have developed.

Excited to see him at Saints next year. I reckon in Amor, Walmsley, LMS, Laffranchi, Masoe, Beaumont and Clough we have some really good talent and depth ino our props next year for once.

Most of us wanted Amor back at the start of last season FTV but the Coaching staff didn't seem to see it that way.

Seems a strange one, he would surely offer more than Kirke/Bailey (cue GF ring comments . . . . )

Did he have attitude/behavioural issues at your place perhaps?