MacQuarie is innocent!

Has JJB been in prison???

Do you understand the saying?

Yes I do, both had pretty much the similar teams out last year. The older Leeds beat the younger Wigan.

It's cute how Wigan beating Warrington in a GF can somehow be turned into an example of what is wrong with Leeds.

The agenda needs pushing at all times it seems.

I was referring nothing to last nights game.

I simply stated a good young one beats a good old one.

I don't think last year that term could be used to some of Wigans players. Nor do I think it could be used in a couple of cases with Leeds players. Surprising what 12 months later is though.

The "good" is the key.

Really, because it came just after another post going on about how Wigan had more energy last night.

Last year how different were the 2 squads? Yes Leeds were a year younger but so too shockingly were Wigan.

Watch it again. Lee Mossop folds Ratchford in half, and his ankle gets caught in the grass. Hansen hits Ratchford on the hip, and slides off the leg. He doesn't cause the injury.

Stop getting so defensive. You are in danger of moving towards a certain other poster whom continually clutches at straws. I honestly think your better than that.

Have those young Wigan players improved this season on last? I said the key was the "good". A good young one is better than a good old one. You have to have the good in you first.

What Wigan showed is believing in your young ones you have identified, even without winning trophies will still prosper in the end. And Leeds did it too in 2003.

Where is the defensiveness in my previous post? None at all really, I simply asked why good young ones last year didn't beat good old ones but somehow that rule doesn't count for 2012 but does in 2013. Bizarre, and had Leeds players not suffered from injuries so bad this year are you so confident that at 6-6 at the DW that Leeds don't go on to win?

The extra year's experience for Wigan's young forwards was critical; as was the extra year's effects of old Father Time on Leeds' contrasting ancient forwards

Thanks Nantwich. That's your answer Printer, it is really clear, and I made that clear with the comparison to Leeds 2003.

Tomkins and McIlorum didn't play last year, that's why Wigan didn't at least reach the final. The experience gained helped but so did having our best players and pivots on the field.

B*llocks, we won last year because we played better, Wigan won this year because they played better.

This obsession that everything has to be age related is quite pathetic.

People have banged on about certain players being/not being in the team for a few years and that McDermott should go. They need to find any angle to attack to keep their opinion looking strongest......last nights results between two other teams somehow highlighting our problems proving that.

See what I mean about getting all defensive.

Do you not think that Wigan last year with the youngsters were a lot like Leeds in 2003? Leeds also came awfully close then but left with nothing. Year after the Leeds youngsters came of age. Just like the Wigan ones this year.

A good young one is better, once they are good.

Someone having a different opinion doesn't equal defensive.....no matter how many times you say it.

Yes Leeds came within 80 mins in 2003.

Wigan have come within 80 mins in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 & 2012 with a decent core of the squad throughout.

Both times they've overcome Leeds we've been struggling bad with injuries into the playoffs (2010 Peacock, McGuire, Burgess)

So no, not similar.