If JJB does not dart out of the line he try does not get scored simple. Tbh I am more concerned about the stupid penalties he keeps giving away sucking the energy out of the players and gifting the opposition momentum.

We both know whom!......but to follow that hare would be to go off at a tangent. This thread is for those fixated by our reserve right winger and who seek to pick on him as the reason for our current troubles. That there are senior players who are currently out of form and are making greater errors is overlooked.

JJB was marking the next man. Their acting half back should have been tackled by one of our markers. I accept JJB moved up quickly on his man but had he stayed in line it is doublful he would have stopped thetry being scored on his inside.

that's your opinion and your entitled to it who do you blame for the silly penalties he gives away ? Let me guess somebody else !!!

JJB does give away some silly penalties and Friday was one of his worst in that respect. But he still remains at the centre of our engine room.

Who do you blame for Hall dashing out of the line for the first try?

Hall . He doesn't give away silly penalties though . Think we ought to look at the coach for the current state of our team though something is broken at leeds at the moment and it needs fixing quick I certainly wouldn't get on singletons back for signalling one way then going the other nor will I give credit to McDermott for rotating squad and blooding youngsters when his hand has been forced by injuries

Who is the hare in this scenario - I think we're already discussing the tortoise.

Which error in your opinion was greater than Vickery's attempt to return the deep Hull kick in the 37th minute?

Jon Wells pin-pointed this individual play as the point at which the game was decided. It wasn't the only occasion Vickery was driven back while in possession last night either.

Is it not reasonable in your view for Leeds fans to assess the contribution of a player who was added to the squad and described by the CEO at that time as (along with Moon and Achurch) 'terrific talents who add extra strike and quality to our team.'

Vickery has now played ten times for Leeds. Thus far he's failed to show any talent let alone it be terrific, hasn't added any strike if anything he's only reduced it and last night was typical of the quality he's brought. How long do we have to wait for the player to resemble his billing?

Whilst everyone rightly says Vickery is not SL standard its not his fault he gets picked.
What do you expect him to say when the coach says you are playing ?
"Brian, please don't pick me I am rubbish"
There is only one person to blame for his performances and thats the coach, who should not pick him in the first place, as its his inadequacies as a coach that he cannot see what everybody else can.

This actually made me lol.

Vickery has been an adequate make-weight winger to date but he did have a terrible game last night.

That said, it is unjust for the performance of a temporary player brought in for squad cover to mask the inadequacies of the rest of the squad. IIRC all three Hull tries were scored on the left edge (Sky showed a nice graphic to show this). Hall and Moon and the other 'stars' not injured need to live up to their salaries. Clarkson's miss for the Houghton try was pretty poor, for example. At least Delaney manages to do effective yards and defence without giving unnecessary penalties away like JJB - his first came after 8 minutes, surely not just a factor of fatigue after putting in the hard work?

Hall has given consistent top class displays for several years now and his current dip in form is unusual. But one of his errors led to their first try which the anti-Vickery Club choose to gloss over.

I am not on his back or on Singleton's or anyone else's back for that matter. I am against the negative blame game so in order to balance the comments regarding Vickery I am just pointing out the errors of others, to those of you who choose to wear Stevie Wonder's while looking at certain players and clear microscopes for others.

Leeds have come through a tough set of fixtures and until the last few games have done well with some of the best defence seen from a Leeds side which has seen us beating most of the sides above us. We have now hit a drop in form with key players under par combined with a growing injury list. However all is not lost as we have a much easier 2nd half of the season to come.

Our key playes have class and will regain form. (in fact there were signs in the last 10 minutes of Sinfield stirring back to attacking form) The whole side has guts a never say die atttitude and mental toughness that was shown against Wigan and again in the 2nd half against Hull when we could have been blown away.

I think the coach has handled the youngsters just fine. Because they are now ready does not mean they were ready for the first team any earlier and all this lack of rotation talk is based on pure assumption. What is clear is that the loss of JP is a big blow as none of the benchmen have come close to filling his boots. I note the rotationists would have had us playing without JP for even longer this season and many of these same experts would have dropped him and pensioned him off last year.

You choose to see doom and gloom because we have lost the last 4 games. But apart from the Huddersfield game we could or should have won against St Helens and Wigan and came up against an inform Hull who had a purple patch in the first half that would have seen off most sides.

The loss of Watkins on top of JP, Ward & Ablett is really tough IMO McGuire less so. However if the reserves now stand up to the plate with an easier set of fixtures we still have a good chance of a top 4 spot for the playoffs when some of our injured stars may return.

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