Nice piece of self righteous preaching there G1. I take it you consider yourself to be one of the deserving few?

If you supported Leeds when Simon Irving was our strike threat, or when Patrique was throwing hospital passes to Gary Rose. If you saw Nathan Piccis one contribution, or Ed Rombo or Paul Cooks debut, or the Gibbons or Marvyn or any number of Leeds sides that just made you wince then I reckon you deserved Leeds years of success, and appreciated them. If you have never attended a Sunday league game in the winter then I don't think you can appreciate how GOOD this side is because you have nothing at the other end of the spectrum to compare them with. You can only really compare them with how fantastic they once were. And that's hardly fair.

I was lucky enough to grow up watching players like John Holmes at their best, and the two Wembley wins in the Seventies still rank right up there as some of my greatest sporting moments.
On the flip side of that were the barren/bridesmaid years, poor signings, over paid signings, and never actually winning anything, the Yorkshire Cup win against Cas at Elland Road was actually a special occasion for me!
I am still in a state of disbelief, that my team, the team i have watched all my life, are so good now..yes i get frustrated at the inconsistent league form shown over the last couple of years...but I am so proud to call myself a Rhino, I feel honoured to be watching players like Sinfield and Peacock, Burrow and Maguire..their desire, humility, and talent may never be matched again.
I for one am revelling in this era of winners, because that's what this team are, winners. I dread the day when this team disbands, but through thick and thin i will be there shouting them on, and call me naive, but i actually trust Gary Hetherington to continue building our great club, the next generation is already upon us, Ward, Watkins, Hardaker, Hall are amongst the best of todays young players.

the thing is, the last couple of seasons,last 7/8 games apart, a lot of the games have been dull, even boring. not just leeds i'm struggling to recall more than 3 or 4 good games on sky this year.
i don't blame the clubs its the system at fault.
for the last couple of years the senior players at leeds have played around 35/38 games and only had a month off in the year. this is ridiculuous and you can't expect players to perform week in week out.
there is no doubt for me leeds are trying to stay as fresh as they can for the seasons end, and again, i can't fault it. thats when honours are handed out.
until SL goes down to 11 teams you won't get the intensity week in week out. its impossible. i won't ever fault the team for effort but like others i'm wondering if i want to spend another £500+ watching week in week out against the likes of salford and widnes

Do you even need to ask?

I started watching regularly as the great team of the 70s was getting beyond it's best.

Like Otley Rhino, the highlight of the first 15 years I spent supporting this club was a Yorkshire Cup win.

I deserve this team not because I earned my stripes in the 80s and 90s but because I appreciate them and understand how fortunate I am to witness what they're doing.

Although I understand what your saying and to an extent I agree with you but have you thought about those fans who came to this sport and Leeds in say 2004/5 and have known nothing but success? They have nothing to compare to - their point of reference is an all conquering Leeds team with wall to wall internationals and where winning silverware is the norm.

If winning is all you know, you can see how it could be a disappointment for some when Leeds don't.

Appreciation isn't the tone that comes to mind when you look back at your prolonged Ian Kirke witch hunt G1. Double standards?

Or does success only elevate certain players above criticism?

It seems to me that Gareth is almost embarrassed by the success of this team - in Gareth's eyes the fact the club has consistently under performed should be the basis to compare this side, what has how Syd Hynes played has got anything to do with the modern day I don't know?

Most fans are judging the current side by the heights they have previously achieved - the fact they are able to win the comp is a reflection on the comp as much as it about the team - how far would the 2004 side win the comp by?

This is a side in decline - not unsurprisingly - and the consistency of their performances reflects that. To suggest this on here is seen as a form of treason by some notable posters. Most are only pointing out the obvious.

Something you've been saying since 2006 yet the titles keep rolling in.

You, in particular, could do with spending three or our years watching someone like Castleford then you would be appreciate, and deserving, of what we have here at the moment.

My prolonged kirke Witch Hunt?

When did I ever engage in such a thing? Find the last negative comment I made about Kirke.

What you will find is that I, before all others, cottoned on to Kirke's lack of work rate during the 2010 season. I made a few comments on it during that season, less so the season after and not at all this season.

Commenting that an individual player might have been shirking his responsibilities is a very different thing to what most of those undeserving of Rhino fan-hood engage in on here.

I don't recall you being too complimentary to your favourite second row/prop/loose forward during this exchange from earlier this season : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=520742&tsmp=1344265285&start=80 unless being compared to the size of your excretions count.

I don't recall you being too complimentary to your favourite second row/prop/loose forward during this exchange from earlier this season : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=520742&tsmp=1344265285&start=80 unless being compared to the size of your excretions count.

I'll always appreciate what success we've had since Darryl Powell over-hauled the mess Dean Lance left us and what a "special" crop of players we've witnessed in the Blue 'n' Amber during that period.
However IF at any time i think player A ,B or Coach hasn't performed at any given time i'll say as such and also continue to post whatever opinions i have on the squad retention ,recruitment ,selection etc etc.

If people are claiming that the team we have now are in decline, they should consider the team of 2000. Lance inherited a bunch of has-beens who the previous coach sorted into an unbelievable team capable of epic moments - but which was never going to be a long-term proposition, especially when the one player at the heart of everything already had begun to want out.

Although not great, Lance was in a more difficult position than he ever gets credit for.