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I'm sure when Jamie Peacock becomes a pundit, he won't EVER slag anyone off... icon_lol.gif

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Peacock's twitter comments make him look a bigger idiot than schoey in this case - especially as he and the team so spectacularly failed to deliver anything other than cr*p. If you're going to come out verbally firing, you need to back it up.

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The problem Schofield has is that he has come out with so many rubbish and bitter sounding views and statements that when he comes out with a fairly acceptable one like this its too late as many (myself included) can't take the man seriously. I guess you could say he's made a rod for his own back in terms of when he give's an opinion.

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Quote: Rhinoshaund III "
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hahahaha Kapow!

Dont think Peacock has had a slap like that since Perry used his face as a punch bag

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Richard, let's be honest, your defence of GS is dry reminiscent of David Brent's of Finchy. "He's thrown a kettle over a pub! What have you ever done?"

You say he is a good bloke and his heart is in the right place. That is a subjective view and cannot be conclusively disproven without going into the sort of forensic detail that no one can be .rsed with. However, the fact that so many fans of the team he played the majority of his career for have such a low opinion of him should set a few alarm bells off, no?

You asked for specific details of him talking for attention rather than to express an honestly held view. Unfortunately I lent my Collected Works of Garry Schofield to a friend and I won't be able to get up to the British Library till later. His comments on Leeds would seem to fall into this category - predict their demise continually and crow when like a broken clock the reality eventually matches the naysaying. And like G1 comments, tone as well as content is important. Quoting tone is difficult but everyone who has ever heard or read Garry Schofield knows from his tone that his priority is heat rather than light.

His most egregious crime for me as a non-Leeds fan is his attitude towards the game in London. Scepticism is perfectly valid. However he shows no interest in learning more about the complexity of the situation in London, the incredible development that has gone on at grassroots level and the reasons that has not been translated into a vibrant Broncos. He prefers ignorance as it makes it easier to garner praise from fellow anti-expansionists and attention from those frustrated by someone using his still big name in the game to advocate the abandonment of our most promising potential source of future players. No attempt to engage in the real debate, too much effort and the danger of being sidetracked towards being somewhere near reasonable.

JP could perhaps have chosen his words better and he would certainly have wished for a better result to back them up. But he has built a groundswell of repect in the game throughout his career, even from the majority of Bulls fans who saw him join our nearest rivals as their star rose and ours fell. Schofield has his admirers, much as Richard Littlejohn and his ilk have - "You tell it straight, couldn't agree with you more". But in the end he is who he is, says what he says and does what he does. And it's a shame.

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Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Garry Schofield OBE ‏
@JamiePeacock10 well played tonight pal!


Rather set himself up for a fall mr Peacock. Starting and argument with name calling on his way to the match. I don't particulary like Scholefield at all, and IMO he appears to have an axe to grind against Leeds. (that said you cannot argue with a lot with the most recent article he wrote!)
If my Peacock and Leeds don't like him the best course of action for me would be to ignore him, treat him like he doesn't exists and prove him wrong on the pitch. I think the approach taken by Peacock was the wrong one

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For those who never saw him or forget how bloody good he was:

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For those who never saw him or forget how bloody good he was:

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Quote: Richard_delariv "did any leeds player not? not a rhetorical question, i just can't remember anything other than it being totally one-sided. although far less one-sided than a few weeks later at old trafford when a certain no6 wasn't playing...'"


James Lowes was the only player who turned up in the 95 cup final. All the others were equally at fault.

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Quote: af "Richard, let's be honest, your defence of GS is dry reminiscent of David Brent's of Finchy. "He's thrown a kettle over a pub! What have you ever done?"

You say he is a good bloke and his heart is in the right place. That is a subjective view and cannot be conclusively disproven without going into the sort of forensic detail that no one can be .rsed with. However, the fact that so many fans of the team he played the majority of his career for have such a low opinion of him should set a few alarm bells off, no?

You asked for specific details of him talking for attention rather than to express an honestly held view. Unfortunately I lent my Collected Works of Garry Schofield to a friend and I won't be able to get up to the British Library till later. His comments on Leeds would seem to fall into this category - predict their demise continually and crow when like a broken clock the reality eventually matches the naysaying. And like G1 comments, tone as well as content is important. Quoting tone is difficult but everyone who has ever heard or read Garry Schofield knows from his tone that his priority is heat rather than light.

His most egregious crime for me as a non-Leeds fan is his attitude towards the game in London. Scepticism is perfectly valid. However he shows no interest in learning more about the complexity of the situation in London, the incredible development that has gone on at grassroots level and the reasons that has not been translated into a vibrant Broncos. He prefers ignorance as it makes it easier to garner praise from fellow anti-expansionists and attention from those frustrated by someone using his still big name in the game to advocate the abandonment of our most promising potential source of future players. No attempt to engage in the real debate, too much effort and the danger of being sidetracked towards being somewhere near reasonable.

JP could perhaps have chosen his words better and he would certainly have wished for a better result to back them up. But he has built a groundswell of repect in the game throughout his career, even from the majority of Bulls fans who saw him join our nearest rivals as their star rose and ours fell. Schofield has his admirers, much as Richard Littlejohn and his ilk have - "You tell it straight, couldn't agree with you more". But in the end he is who he is, says what he says and does what he does. And it's a shame.'"


The fact you'd like to try and disprove Garry is a good bloke, despite - just giving one example here - doing all that work for that kid who needed life-saving treatment recently, yet only admit JP could "perhaps" have not called him a fat slob and a coward for not answering a number he didn't recognise, highlight your agendas pretty conclusively!

"Perhaps"?! It's been 24 hours, and those comments are still there, nor has he apologised for them. And his tantrum has made at least 3 of today's newspapers.

My 'defence' of Garry is simply to ask what he's said in the past that has caused so much offence, because, as far as I can see, all he writes about that causes offence is to say 'player A isn't good enough to play for England', or 'player B is a poor stand-off, but a much better loose forward'. He's never personal either. As an example, if he wants to criticise Nigel Wood, he'll do so without referring to his weight, unlike others. Schoey keeps it to rugby league and rugby league only.

So, other than London, where I'd estimate 90% of fans would agree with him, you can't remember any examples of things he's written that have ed you off?

As for London, his argument has consistently been that the grassroots stuff is great, but that they don't deserve a Super League spot. Is that such a whacky viewpoint?

It boils down to this: rugby league people are thin skinned and don't take kindly to the likes of Schoey and Alex Murphy. In other sports, it's commonplace and they just get on with it. What JP and his generation have copped is a fraction of what British footballers, tennis players and cricketers come in for.

What you say about Leeds and their fans: he's tipped Leeds to win trophies more often than not in the last 5 years, he's heaped praise on many of their players as I've mentioned in their thread. But you're only willing to look at one side of the ledger! Why is that?

Unpopular with their fans? There may be a few on here who don't like him, and probably more who don't post on here, but he has well wishers every day, he signs autographs on a daily basis (never refused one unlike a few GB players of his generation!) and he gets great messages on twitter from Leeds fans. His unpopularity is a myth because you're basing it on a select minority.

Some Leeds fans booed Adrian Morley when he announced his Roosters deal in 2000, and some Leeds fans booed Iestyn Harris when the 1999 Cup-Winning team were paraded at Headingley a few years ago. What does that prove? Fans aren't always rational!

His punditry is superb as his ability to get people talking about rugby league. Far better that than the bland, sit-on-the-fence crap we get from most other players and ex-players who take the media shilling.

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Quote: Richard_delariv "...'"


You like him, Richard. I think we get that.

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Quote: G1 "It's my honest recollection that Schoey talks about it in his book but it's a while since I've read it so I can't be certain. I'm relatively sure. He can always give us, via you, his version of how much the lack of a SL loyalty bonus effected him prior to that game. At the time, as a more rabid fan and less balanced than I am now it infuriated me. I went that day full of expectation and, as usual with Leeds that day, was gutted. To read later that a hero of mine was even thinking about money in the changing room infuriated me, the young idealist that I was.

Regardless, on refelection, I may well be biased against Gary. I've heard and witnessed too many negative tales (many from people within the confines of the dressing rooms) about his time in an infuriatingly dissapointing Leeds team that I may be guilty of dismissing what he says because it's him that is saying it. But to be fair, he brings a lot of that upon himself with much of his delivery. I might miss the odd salient point he makes because, frankly, his constant sniping and negativity, has turned me off listening to him. As a pundit, that is a failure on his part.

Doug Laughton was a very succesful coach with a track record of trophies, even during Wigan's dominant era. I often wonder why it was his mission from the outset to rid Leeds of Schofield and what a team we might have been had he done so.

Regardless, I digress again. In twenty years when I speak to my grandkids of Leeds greats and hero's and deeds it will be the Peacocks, Sinfields, McGuires, Burrows, Seniors, Harris's etc etc. Not Schofield. I doubt he will care but in reality he should. He should care that his legacy has been so tarnished for so, so many who used to worship him.'"


I'll never get into a debate with you on your opinions on him as a player and the team that he played in, as I fully respect what you say on it and fully respect the fact you presumably spent a fortune following them only to experience disappointment 99% of the time. Like all fans, you have your favourites and if GS isn't there, that's fair enough.

WRT Laughton though - you must also wonder what if David Ward had stayed, or what if someone else had come in. Irrespective of his poor relationship with his ex-captain, Laughton wasted a fortune at Leeds and can only be regarded as a failure. He brought trophies to Widnes, yes, but they paid a pretty penny for them. Leeds and Widnes have two things in common: they were both coached by Doug Laughton, and they were both on the financial brink not long after.

But we're digressing. A point I noticed on the other thread is that you and others think he was an individual selfish player. The same accusation was thrown at Iestyn Harris too when this forum was debating whether Leeds should re-sign him from Wales. Isn't it the case that - unlike anyone in the 2004-2011 side, where the talent was more evenly spread - Garry and Iestyn were head and shoulders above anyone else in a playmaking capacity. Wityhout either player in their respective teams, I reckon Leeds would have languished in mid-table, or worse, as they did in 1996, the only season between 1987 and 2001 that neither played for Leeds.

Apologies for introducing Iestyn to the debate. Fully willing to acknowledge that you were proved completely righy in that argument!

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Quote: af "...'"


You don't like him, Andrew. I think we get that.

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