There were several times in the first couple of tackles when Hull passes went noticeably forward. Yes it was inside Hull's half, and no, none of them led directly to tries, but they were blatant forward passes and they should have been spotted.



I didn't say that though did I? I said that with a better referee we might have got a win that our performance didn't deserve. Simple fact is that thanks to inept refereeing Leeds were denied a legitimate try at a key point in the game and likewise Hull were gifted two points and possession(the Lee Smith penalty - I can't agree about it being technically correct as the first infringement was the Hull player's interference). Better refereeing in those two instances would have seen Leeds six points better off, Hull two points worse off and Leeds at Hull's thirty with six tackles in hand. It doesn't take Mystic Meg to figure out that that's a game changer.

Like I say, doesn't change the fact that Hull fully deserved their win, they did. Hull were better than Leeds in every department - but you don't always get what you deserve in sport and my point was that if Childs hadn't made critical errors at a crucial time in the game we may well have won - and the act of winning doesn't always mean you deserved to win.

Carnt believe you are having a go at Childs when you should be having a go at your player that did the eye ripping he should be baned for 6 weeks,no place for that in our sport.

As a "neutral" watching matches on sky it is getting a bit pathetic how every week games seem to be getting ruined by incompetent and inconsistent refereeing. It always seems that if the margin between penalty's given becomes wide that Ref's seem to have to "even it up". Ref's are not there to even up the penalty count, If a team has bad discipline the count should reflect that.

A big difference I've noticed lately between here and AUS is that when a bad call is made over there (yes the aussies do make mistakes too), it may get a split second mention by the commentators but the player's just get on with it and you don't hear about it again. However over here Eddie and Stevo tend to go over every single bad call and spend to much time contemplating on the "what if's" which whilst they have a point, I think they do nothing to help the Ref's cause and just take away from the other teams efforts.

Like most poster's on this thread however I feel the best team tonight won, and whilst the forward pass call was a shocking one there where bad calls both ways so it's not really worth singling out particular decisions because we'd be here forever discussing what would have happened if such a thing was or wasn't given.

There are big problems with officiating at the moment and unfortunately it is starting to spoil the final product, far to much inconsistency and ref's who are just seemingly not competent or consistent enough considering they are professionals. Stuart Cummings has got his work cut out.

Plenty saying "we all know what to expect when Child is ref". If we all know what to expect, then how is he still a ref?

(Ps. Hull deserved their win)

That is absolutely true, and something I've noticed. The Chuckle Brothers do us no favours in looking for the next manufactured controversy to talk about rather than concentrating on the players.

However the Aussie commentators don't have to deal with Child and Hicks. If they did I imagine they'd be torn apart, if not in the commentary box then in the much more brutal Aussie RL press.

He passes the ball on the 10m line and it is received about 3m in front. It definitely travelled forward.

I think you misunderstand what the momentum rule is. It has nothing to do with how fast the player travels after the pass (like Stevo seems to think), so Crooks challenging Webb is irrelevant. The ball travels in the forward direction faster than Webb was moving, therefore it should have been disallowed.

Can't agree about the Briscoe forward pass. It was definitely forward! It travelled nearly 5m forward, Briscoe wasn't going that fast!

Just for those who didn't think the first Leeds try was forward:
Webb passes the ball (look at the 10m dashed line on the pitch).

Jones-Bishop just before catching the ball (stopped slightly early so you can still see the ball just above his right shoulder).

I think much of that attitude can be put down to commentators, coaches and players all having confidence in the Australian Controller of Referees taking action against his subjects if they have had poor performances or made glaring errors. Over here, everything is kept behind closed doors, especially Suart Cummings. It's almost a given that once a referee has been elevated to full-time Superleague status, it's a job for life, no matter what his subsequent performance is like. I reckon even the FA operate a more disciplined system than we do.

This one also confirms what i though when i saw this right in front of us last night. I thought the direction of the ball was altered by Sinfield and his hand is very close on this clip. Watching it back this morning so it may be clearer at normal speed. No matter either way, a match can look completely different in a replay to at a ground. Do want to see the Ablett/Manu incident though. Manu isn't a dirty player, it's not his style and was suprised when i saw the replay on the big screen.

Well thanks for all the hard work on the screen grabs but as they are Sky copyright and as Sky have threatened RLFans in the past for using copyright material they've had to be binned.

Where Webb goes, where he is when the ball is caught and even where the ball finishes are all totally irrelevant. The ball was going forward relative to Webbs hands at the moment he passed it, therefore it was a forward pass.

chld is useless. He kept leeds in the game

I’m going to echo what most have said regarding the game and Child.

Hull totally deserved the win, they were sharper and stronger up the middle of the park. We looked tiered and a little disjointed at times.

Child was appalling and spoiled the flow of the game – he’s whistle happy and often misses genuine error and then blows-up for none existent ones.

In a nutshell, he is simply not to the standard required for marshalling a Super League game.