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Quote: tvoc "I'm 100% sure that he did get on. These things are always best established at the time and while queries can still arise after the event they are thankfully relatively few and far between.

In this particular instance Watkins featured in coach McClennan's post-match comments“he copped a bit of a bang on the knee. It was starting to seize up a bit, so it was a great opportunity for us to give Lee Smith a bit of time at full-back and bring Kallum Watkins on in the centre. Brent should be all right. We’ll ice him up and look after him.” [/i

In addition the match was televised in full by Sky and Watkins goal-line defence was exposed by Chad Randall for the Quins final score. For absolute confirmation 'rhinovulcan' has an uploaded video on that sharing website we're not allowed to paste links to.

Watkins Opta stats from the game were
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Quote: rhino2009 "I think it's an exaggeration to say they will be knocked about from day 1. However I'm also disappointed that GH has not signed a quality experienced centre who Watkins and Hardaker could learn from. I think Gary thought on similar lines but no one of the right quality was available and probably that's why a pay as you play offer was made to Senior. I think GH and Brian McD will see how the pair progress and if there are probems/injuries then someone might be brought in. Remember we're well under the salary cap!'"


I'm not moaning by all means. I know we have salary cap and GH is good at keeping us under it. P.s I saw him at the ticket office today, should of asked him lol

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Quote: **Horny88** "
Quote: **Horny88** "I think it's an exaggeration to say they will be knocked about from day 1. However I'm also disappointed that GH has not signed a quality experienced centre who Watkins and Hardaker could learn from. I think Gary thought on similar lines but no one of the right quality was available and probably that's why a pay as you play offer was made to Senior. I think GH and Brian McD will see how the pair progress and if there are probems/injuries then someone might be brought in. Remember we're well under the salary cap!'"


I'm not moaning by all means. I know we have salary cap and GH is good at keeping us under it. P.s I saw him at the ticket office today, should of asked him lol'"


Let's hope that Watkins and Hardaker progress into quality centres but I still think there could be a signing mid-season or for 2013. Next time you see GH ask him?

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Quote: rhino2009 "I think it's an exaggeration to say they will be knocked about from day 1. However I'm also disappointed that GH has not signed a quality experienced centre who Watkins and Hardaker could learn from. I think Gary thought on similar lines but no one of the right quality was available and probably that's why a pay as you play offer was made to Senior. I think GH and Brian McD will see how the pair progress and if there are probems/injuries then someone might be brought in. Remember we're well under the salary cap!'"


Not dissapointed regarding the lack of signings in that position. We have IMO the most exciting centres in the competition and Ablett, Delaney and smith who can give more than satisfactory cover. As for the cap space. Yes we have had some big wages go off cap but the deals of our youngsters on the 5 year deals will have eaten into that cap space. And although there may be some room, not sure how much is left.

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Leeds' backup centres are probably better than most teams' first choice.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Leeds' backup centres are probably better than most teams' first choice.'"

Totally agree!

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I am glad we have stuck with Watkins and Hardaker, these 2 look like they could be the 'Burrow and Mcguire' of the 3/4s. However I would say that although you want every player in your team to be really good, centre is probably the least important position in the team. We have manged to win Grand Finals with a makeshift centre in Ablett we would never have done it with a makeshift halves or props.

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Quote: jarvis12345 "I am glad we have stuck with Watkins and Hardaker, these 2 look like they could be the 'Burrow and Mcguire' of the 3/4s. However I would say that although you want every player in your team to be really good, centre is probably the least important position in the team. We have manged to win Grand Finals with a makeshift centre in Ablett we would never have done it with a makeshift halves or props.'"


Have to agree with all you state. Watkins and Hardaker are an exciting pair....but without those quality half backs. props ....AND hooker they will not have the platform to properly shine.

(Still state we will miss Buderus badly this season.....unless Hood can step up pretty quickly. Hope he does).

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watkins was devastating in attack and poor in defence.cost us two tries.

hardaker looked as if he was playing on the wrong side. he cut infield every single time when a natural left sided player would have put his winger in a couple of times

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I thought the 2 Horne Tries and the Welham one were as much down to Sinfield and Smith tbh mate and when they replayed the Hodgson try on the screen i thought he dropped the ball.
I do think we'll both agree our right fringe defence needs work especially in our 20/10m.
In Hardakers case in the 2nd half at least there were a few calls from our end of the ground for him to pass to hall rather than step but the cover defence had drifted and imo the step inside was the right call.
Again i think that combination can do with improvement which i think in time it will but we need faster ball to give Zak any chance of putting Hall away.
Finally with decent supply Watkins will score plenty this year.

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Quote: jarvis12345 "We have manged to win Grand Finals with a makeshift centre in Ablett we would never have done it with a makeshift halves or props.'"


I don't agree with you there.

2004 & 2011 we won with a make shift stand-off.

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Thought the same tad, regarding hardaker, cut inside every time. When we controlled the ball I thought we were pretty good, our marker defence was very poor though

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Quote: rhinoms "
In Hardakers case in the 2nd half at least there were a few calls from our end of the ground for him to pass to hall rather than step but the cover defence had drifted and imo the step inside was the right call.
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That's true, but we'll get plenty of that from Hardaker this season. As good as he is, supplying his winger is certainly not his strong point. Yet.

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I agree GMC it certainly needs work as a combination and he as an individual will have to learn to read the pass better i was just saying that in some cases tonight the step was the correct call.

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just seen highlights on sky and fair do's he wasn't at fault for either try.

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