You are either stupid or are just arguing for the sake of it.

The 600 games is all he is focused on - he will no go to a side where he can help develop young talent he will go to whichever club will allow him to reach that goal.

So if he goes to Hull KR which seems an option then either Jake Webster - a highly paid overseas player or Kris Whelam will have to drop out it is very unlikely Webster will get the chop so a young British centre will be sat on the side lines.

No one has signed him as yet and all clubs are back in pre-season, maybe Keighley is the only real option?

Senior last season, was one of the poorest centres in SL, albeit in side that was very poor at the time - he has since had an injury that has wrecked the career of many younger players. It is hard to develop young players too hard for most clubs. You only have to look at the success of the Rhinos to see what happens when you get it right. I have nothing against Senior I just think as a game we need to be focussing all our efforts on developing younger players. We don't have P&R and whether Keith Senior plays or not it isn't going to be critical factor in the success of any side.

If Welham wasnt such a disaster defensively then it would likely be Webster who would be dropped, or moved to the wing. The person to blame for Welhams failings is Welham, its mental to blame Senior for the fact he is better that other options.

What you need to be complaining about is HKR having so many highly paid overseas players and putting so little in to youth development that they dont have a better prospect than a 35 year old Senior who is coming back from serious injury, not Senior for wanting to play.

There is absolutely NO way Hull KR would recruit Senior to play in front of Welham or Webster, they see his usefulness elsewhere and as back up.

which centre is he harming carrying on ? anyone and everyone and perhaps long term himself

we try and beat the aussies with a 30 yr old pack. worked in the 70s till they hammered us in the 80s with a side mainly 21/22yr old

will leeds get away with an old pack again? possibly because others are...

should we play a proper stand off? yes, unfortunately a loose forward can win finals domestically playing stand off but never internationally.

Leeds would haver not improved last year with senior playing instead of ablett and the starting of hardaker and benching of burrow was arguably more luck than judgement

Ah, so because someone disagrees with you they're either stupid or just arguing for the sake of it. Which world are we in right now? Sal's 'real world' or the one the rest of us inhabit?


You mean he wants to play? Terrible ambition for a sportsman. Especially considering he's likely to be backup and appearance money will be a large part of any wage package.


No, actually what's far more likely is that if Hull KR were to sign him it would be as backup to Webster and Welham.


Maybe so, what's the big deal?


But was he the poorest? If not then there is still potentially a place for him in SL isnt there? If only as backup?
Yes it is hard to develop players. But those players have to have the potential to become a SL quality centre in the first place. It doesnt matter how much development or game time is given to a youngster he can still only achieve a certain level of ability.
I'll say it again, which young potential SL centres at bottom half SL clubs would Senior be denying game time to by signing at their club? Or as Hull KR might be thinking, which young centres would be denied game time and development by signing as a backup to already established centres?
I don't think Senior is top half SL quality, but could probably still do a job for a club lower down the league. Especially given the poor quality of centres in SL and the state of youth development which you agree yourself is currently poor.
I agree the game should focus on developing young players, but it shouldnt and can never be a "youngsters at all costs" attitude. As evidenced by some on this messageboard during the season advocating playing the likes of Aston Wilson and other totally unready youngsters simply because they are young. In the end there has to be a balance between youth development, potential & current quality.

The fact that anybody is comtemplating Senior as an option in SL at his age and after such a serious injury is a sad indictement.

Wilson might not have been good enough, but I would always advocate youth be given a chance over the likes of a [ipast his best[/i short term solution. For every Wilson there is a potential Hardaker also being blocked from earlier promotion to the first team.

Besides, I'm pretty sure Senior would never accept being "back-up"

Whilst I would favour a focus on youth, as I said there has to be a balance. If the only options in the youth setup are obviously not good enough then why not consider Senior as a short term option whilst you work on producing a youngster for a couple of years time?

My point is that the present day Senior with the now - very late in his playing career - serious, debilitating injury, is still considered to be worthy of a place in SL by you and others. How bad is that ?
Do you not think it will simply hinder the pro-active efforts to find the next good kid by once again opting for the easier short term solution...whether it's Senior or an ageing inferior antipodean.

I definitely agree that its an indictment of many SL clubs' youth development (and of other issues further down the line in RL). 100% I agree with that.

I would agree that for Senior to stay at a club like Leeds (in any serious playing capacity) wouldn't be acceptable since there are youngsters showing plenty of potential who need gametime to develop. However a club that doesn't have those kind of youngsters at centre, or a youngster who maybe needs to be loaned out for a year or instead of being thrown straight into SL at too young an age then Senior might be useful.

For example think of the benefit the likes of McGuire & Burrow got from playing alongside Dunemann. It reduced their game time but probably was better for their development.

I'm not saying Senior is still quality or is right for every club, but I'm sure there is a club where he can fulfill a role for a season or so.

Senior has signed for Batley on a 'pay as you play' deal, but think theres a clause in there somewhere, the old 'if a SL club comes knocking' so still up in the air a bit where he will be playing!!

So we agree youth development is an issue - how does signing a player well passed his best help that? For me it simply offers a short term solution to a lazy club and does the competition as a whole no favours.

You don't seem to be able to make your mind up - in one breath you are saying playing alongside Senior will help a young player and once it is intimated that that is not high on Senior's agenda you think it is OK for him to selfishly drive towards 600 games? Senior is no Dunneman that is for sure.

There is no substitute for playing at the top level it is a fast track to gaining experience to be denied this because a coach/club take a softer option is criminal for the game as a whole. As I said developing young players is hard often far too hard for most coaches e.g. Noble and CEOs - and we wonder why the SL comp is so poor.

On young players - no one knows how they are going react until they are exposed to the opportunity - who would have Hardaker would have been such a success - something we would never have found out unless Senior had got injured?

A bit economical with the truth there. Before Saints brought him over he was playing some low level rugby, and couldn't get a game in the NRL because his old club held his registration. It was a massive gamble, but one that paid off

He was 23/24 when he joined the Saints and he had played for Australia - so I would suggest the statement is correct. Your skills don't suddenly evaporate. Did he not win MOS in 2005?

Lyon never seems to play for Australia does he? He is one of the players come the end of the season you look forward to watching against England etc. It just never seems to happen......

How come developing young centres is so problematic? I'd have thought it was one of the easier roles to play in the backs. I'll probably be shot down by those more knowledgable than I for posting that but would welcome some clarification. As for Senior, he's the symptom, not the cause and it's pointless blaming him for wanting to carry on.