Quite a few, to be fair.

Wigan draw, lost to saints away by 2 and I seem to remember him scoring an excellent try against you lot in the challenge cup. so are u saying u wouldn't have him at Leeds

I wouldn't go that far, I just might not swap what we already had. But you asked how many Leeds fans said they didn't rate him when the rumours were circulating. You could dig out the thread if you like, but I can assure you that not everyone around here thought it was a good idea.

I'd have been quite happy to sign him, but you weren't asking about me.

For the record, I also wouldn't change the England team at the moment. And also, if you read the thread, quite a lot of it has moved onto debating options in the pack, so you're really arguing with the original poster, not any sort of consensus opinion.

Let me guess all the Leeds fans want Bailey in the pack. Carvell would be my first choice.

We also all want Smith at full back and Diskin at 9.

Why would you assume that "all the Leeds fans" would think the same about any given issue?

Some Leeds fans might well like to see Bailey in the pack. Others, like you, would like to see Carvell add a bit of bulk. Still others like me, think the best option is to keep the team settled in the hope of gaining some cohesion.

Do all the Cas fans have the same opinion about everything? Your forum must be well dull if they do.

Diskin now I do smell bull

Think you are showing too much credit to the haters out there.

Alot IMO would prefer Carvell to play just to make sure TMFMISL doesn't.

Looking at the 19 man squad I'd swap Carvell for Wilkin, McGuire for Chase and Widdop to start instead of Tomkins

I would probably have liked to see Widdop somewhere in the starting line up, if the reports I've heard from Aus are accurate (don't watch that stuff myself unless it happens to be on when I'm in the gym) but IMO the time for that was before the France game. Tomkins has to play as he's our most likely threat in attack, and ever better in his defensive positioning. The Sinfield/Chase combination hasn't gelled yet, but starting from scratch with another one won't help that.

I'd largely stay as is, perhaps swapping Carvell for Wilkin, but no other tinkering.

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I'd play Tomkins at 6, with Widdop at fullback. Both in the positions that they'v spent most of their, albeit short careers. But there is no way Chase would be anywhere near my 17 in the first place. "I would play Widdop at centre in place of Yeaman and have another forward on the bench. Either a big prop in which case that would have to be Carvel or another mobile 2nd row and that would be Ablett.'"

I would agree....but would be more inclined to go for Bailey rather than more of the predictable easily handled same in Carvell.

....JJB is not a[intipodean[/i international class, but I never stated I would [idrop[/i him. It's a sad reflection on the depth of quality in SL that he is about the best we've got. I would even go for Ablett above the indescribably utter-waste-of-time-Wilkin.

If Chase is going to play, he has to be let off the leash and allowed to play in the same maverick style he does ar Cas. That's potentially going to result in a piece od magic, plus a whole load of errors you really can't afford at this level. It's fine in exhibition games for the Exiles and the Maori, but not in a competitive international tournament.

Widdop alongside Sinfield in the halves for me, Carvell on the bench alongside Ablett (to provide some backs cover).

If you base your judgements on rugby acumen rather than emotion then Carvell is the clear choice as a bigger, better prop with a good go forward game as againts Bailey who has errm.....?

Harsh. They offer different things. Bailey is probably the better defender, and has that undefinable quality of being able to get under people's skins. Great competitor, especially around the ruck. Carvell offers bigger ball carries, albeit with some retention issues.

My issue with bringing Bailey in is that we already have 3 props in the side who will want to play long stints, and so it makes sense to add a big ball carrier to do shorter "impact" stints, which isn't what Bailey offers.

A concern with not putting either of them on the bench is that, while Peacock, Graham and Morley are used to long stints, we'd be in trouble if one of them got an injury.