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| Quote: El Barbudo "Me too.
I'm still not happy about the 6,7,9,13 arrangement though.
How much of the improvement is down to players having learned their new roles?
Also, got give some credit to someone about Kirke, he's actually driving the ball in these days rather than slamming the brakes on at the moment of collision.
Still not getting many metres with it ... but one thing at once eh?'"
Geez the 'feel good factor' really does increase that rose tint.
We still have a poor coach... his selections disappoint and his motivation for less [iself[/i motivational games is proven to be non exisitent.
No way should Kirke be selected....this was the opportunity to see how Amor could perform. How many chances do some of you guys on here want to give Kirke ? He's a waste of a bench spot IMO.
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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52]
[quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52]
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| Quote: rhinoms "I don't think anyone is "taking back" their earlier views on the coach and some of his calls just offering a bit of credit when things have improved.
I think it's fair to mention GH aswell and you are not wrong in saying that his signings have improved their performance namely Hauraki.
Time will tell if/how we improve under the coach and the upcoming "squad changes" will be vital in that process and hearing him describe Moore as having huge potential does still leave me concerned and cast a cloud of doubt over his stewardship.
As fickle as many are i think it's fair that they give the coach some credit at this moment in time do you not agree?'"
I agree mac has copped it big time from us arm chair know alls so its only fair and right he gets a bit of respect back. I hoped he was the right man for the job, I'm still far from convinced. But as I said earlier I think in a year that defo has transition issues for the club in the 3/4's we have the makings of the best back line in SL by some distance. Which is a development in the right direction.
If anything there are real positives to take into preseason whatever happens next week.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I've seen nothing in Hardakers game to show he has the passing, kicking ability or nouse to play in the centre of the park. He may have it, im just not sure where he has shown it.'"
....but why are you expecting all of that from Hardaker at this stagetoday's[/i McGuire provides that IMO.
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| Mcguire was a half back, he played as half back, he passed and kicked. Hardaker hasnt done that/.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Mcguire was a half back, he played as half back, he passed and kicked. Hardaker hasnt done that/.'"
I believe he has.....but either way I don't get the impression it would take the lad long to learn additional attributes that would complement his natural talents of having commensurate pace, good balance/step and the ability to find a gap to determindly/vigourously burst through.
McGuire has built up his present skills over time...it never stopped him starting at SO in his youth when he had fewer of these in his portfolio. He had the rare raw talent enough to make the position his own: I believe Hardaker has the same.
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| Hardaker took full advantage of some very suspect, flakey, tackles.
He is quick and wriggly. Huddersfield obviously didn't do their homework on him and they paid the price.
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| I think Hardaker shows terrific promise. He seems to have a good rugby brain & good game awareness.
If Ablett or Watkins are fit for next week, I'd put him on the wing at the expense of BJB.
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| Quote: thebloodbath "Hardaker took full advantage of some very suspect, flakey, tackles.
He is quick and wriggly. Huddersfield obviously didn't do their homework on him and they paid the price.'"
Hardaker had a very good game, took his trys well and deservedly got MOM. He's a great prospect and in time will be a star with the Rhinos. However I have to agree with Bloodbath's comments. The Giants defence was very weak but to be fair Hardaker took full advantage. Warrington/Saints will not be so easy. For next season I would prefer him on the wing with an experienced centre still been signed
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| On McDermott, things are going well now but we still finished one position lower in the league than last season with a much poorer record against the top sides (apart from Huddersfield). Admittedly the cup final performance was better although our road to the final was also much easier this year. As one of his critics, I'm warming to the coach - I think he's earned the right to be in charge next year (not sure about the full extent of his contract) - but if Leeds go out in the next round of the play-offs the season will still be a disappointing one, despite the relative high we're experiencing now.
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| I'm not sure that you can describe our season as a failure.
Yes, we haven't won anything yet but even if we fall at the next hurdle we'll have been in the top 2 in the challenge cup - 12 other teams would have wanted to be in our shoes - & in the top 4 of the Superleague - something the 10 other teams would have swapped places with us to achieve.
Finally, we're starting to play a brand of rugby that entertains.
Let's hope that we build on this next year.
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| Quote: G1 "As the fickle tide of fan feelings now turns to appreciation for McDermott do we see any contrition from posters who often criticised Hetherington? I thought he'd let the squad decline? I thought he didn't sign players that were any good. GH is the same GH who signed Hardaker and Hauraki, another one that the fickle fans are now shifting their affection towards.
As for the coach. Let's wait and see. Do we go forward next year or does he continue his record of taking his clubs to a lower place in the table each and every season. That is more important than his ideals and eloquence whilst chatting to coaches.
Whilst I never called for his sacking I remain unconvinced. He deserves credit for picking Hardaker in the centre but would he have done so had Watkins and Ablett been unfit? I myself called for Hardaker in the centre some months
previously.
The mistakes he made earlier this season and the baffling decisions he came up with remain and it was right and proper for them to be discussed.
That is my view, always has been and will be regardless of next week's result. I suspect if we get a dicking next week those now gushing in admiration will be polishing the knives. Such is the way of many fickle fekkwitts.'"
Nothing fickle about me mate, as I said to you on a couple of occasions in the season I've always thought Leeds will progress with McDermott. And as you'd asked me before if I thought he is a good coach the answer was yes back then and still is now.....fickleless me!
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| Quote: Old Feller "I'm not sure that you can describe our season as a failure.
Yes, we haven't won anything yet but even if we fall at the next hurdle we'll have been in the top 2 in the challenge cup - 12 other teams would have wanted to be in our shoes - & in the top 4 of the Superleague - something the 10 other teams would have swapped places with us to achieve.
Finally, we're starting to play a brand of rugby that entertains.
Let's hope that we build on this next year.'"
I support your rationale of the season. It's not been a failure and for the first few months we were without Peacock and McGuire. Hopefully we can build on it for 2012 but a lot will depend on the quality of any new signings in the off-season.
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| Always an interesting point this IMO.
Not sure but I don't think Leeds finished in the top 4 of SL this season. They finished 5th. (I could post any number of links to League tables at this point but won't.)
Even if they go on to end the season as unlikely Champions that won't alter the final Super League table. It will however alter their prizemoney allocation which I guess is important too.
5th in Super League is Leeds' lowest final League placing for a decade, since 2001 under Coach Lance/Powell.
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| Quote: tvoc "Always an interesting point this IMO.
Not sure but I don't think Leeds finished in the top 4 of SL this season. They finished 5th. (I could post any number of links to League tables at this point but won't.)
Even if they go on to end the season as unlikely Champions that won't alter the final Super League table. It will however alter their prizemoney allocation which I guess is important too.
5th in Super League is Leeds' lowest final League placing for a decade, since 2001 under Coach Lance/Powell.'"
I'll grant you that we didn't finish in the top 4 of the League table after the 27 weekly rounds so my use of language was possibly sloppy.
However, what you can't deny is that we are in the final 4 of the play-offs, something that 10 other clubs would wish they could say.
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