You would rather not get to the final in the first place, very strange.

I would also say you are seriously deluded if you do not realize it's said tongue in cheek, waccoe!

Good job I said it's only the ones that genuinely believe it that are deluded then isn't it. This reading lark will catch on one day I tell ya!

Not at the time no

Knocking Wigan out last year was a decent achievement though.

are you tapped? wigan have and will always be a big team in RL, even though that pained me to say it. You could also then say that we beat a leeds team on the decline?, or that leeds are no longer a big team? Thought not, so i stand by my original statement.

Leeds were a team who had big game pedigree and at the time were 3 times champions. Had also knocked out Wigan and St Helens along the way.

Wigan when you played them were a team who had not appeared in a final since 2004, had not picked up a trophy since 2002, and had finished out of the top 4 in the previous 4 seasons.

But on the other hand their name was Wigan so they must have been good

and had the same players barring deacon as there GF winning team.

What does that matter? I'd have thought that your club in particular shows that until you get a decent coach, you can have all the players in the world and not be a top club.

Are you saying without Tony Smith at the helm you'd have won in 2009? Actually, with the tin pot opposition you faced you probably still would have

yes but we were handicapped with jimmy lowes as assistant . There is a difference between a big club and a successful club, and im afraid wigan are and always have been a big club. In 09 wigan were 1 game from OT when saints knocked them out, so maybe for a bit of fortune they could have played you lot in the 09 GF with noble in charge. Would they have been a big team then?