It was horrendous. Bulls were the worst team I have seen this year, and we still got beat by them.

Personally, I am still firmly of the opinion that a change of coach would make very little difference, we would still be 5th, still losing games expected to win, and still be way behind the new top 4. The only way of ensuring that situation changes is a big overhaul on the playing front. Probably will still show that McDermot may not still be up to it, but at least we would have a better foundation in place than now for any new guy.

If anybody really believes that McDermott told Sinfield in that second half not to get the ball wide and to just do suicidal flat short passes back inside, then they are seriously in a daze.

The next two games are Wigan and Catalans away. Very hard to see Leeds getting any points from either games, and two batterings a possibility.

If Cas and Hull beat Bradford and Salford respectively, we'll be in EIGHTH. Fifth has gone.

In that likely scenario, I'd be hopeful of a coaching change before the two Hull games.

I couldn't imagine any other outcome tbh.

But mind you, I couldn't imagine any coach with an ounce of credibility sticking, who was on the night, our best player out on the wing for the final period of the game - so who the hell knows anymore.

Yet if we had won on Friday we would be on the same points as Saints. What a missed opportunity.

Hello Gareth...

No, I don't remember 1988-89

Not that it would ever happen, but I'd still rather have Reilly in charge than Noble.

Surely any problems behind the scenes would be made worse by the number of key players reportedly not having a great relationship with him?

Don't think there's any chance of a change before those games, let's face it we are not expected to pick up anything from those games anyway. Two losses against Hull though (the second game now being a season definer) would surely force GH's hand??

Hethrington's hand will be forced if he sees a sea of empty seats at the Hull game. It'll dawn on him that season ticket renewals will be down, result, bye bye McDermott and Lowes. Although I am exasperated at the current coach his tactics and the mediocrity of the playing squad I will be there to support them come what may! I just hope Hethrington proves me wrong and puts us all out of our misery and gets rid sooner rather than later, and culls another 4/5 of the remaining squad and recruits quality replacements while he is at it.

I'll buy 15 season tickets for ten consecutive years if Hetherhington puts Rhino bucs out of it's misery.

Come on, join my pledge drive.

Thought you spent all your remaining cash on butt plugs!

Fully agree. Even though I have seen nothing positive about McD and a lot that is negative I still believe that the squad peaked a couple of years ago and needed freshening up in the key positions back then. Injuries and lack of form have made matters worse for the coach who has so far shown he is unable to overcome these problems and has compounded them by poor team selection.

Having said that we are seeing some woeful individual performances on the field that are the sole responsibility of the players.

I'll make the sacrifice for the greater good.

Obsession with objects in my anus is duly noted. I'm flattered.

Strangely, for once I believe Hetherington allowed sentiment to get in the way of reality when it came to his recruitment/retention decisions with this group of players. The signs were there last season, but some bad luck with injuries at the beginning and end of the season provided a ready made excuse to cover some pretty disappointing performances.

A number of this first team squad have gone a year (or two) too far and are currently being carried, to the detriment of the club as a whole.

If anyone seriously believes Smith, McLennan or Murray would have achieved better they're deluding themselves IMO.

Colour me deluded then.

Maybe not champions but any three of those would have acheived far "better" with this squad of players.

How, Gareth?

What would they have done differently to drag better performances out of the likes of Webb, Bailey, Lauitiiti etc - to name just three of those players who are clearly on the slide?

Maybe we might have a decent attacking structure. The squad may be on the slide player by player but certainly not to the extent that it has been showing this season. We are completely clueless and have been all year. It's time for a change IMO.