Only thing O' loughlin is good at is swinging arms, cheap shots.

Oh and no real creativity, how many goals has he kicked this year, not in the same class as sinfield overall, just what does he bring to the pies ?????? and or the super league in fact sorry if this is harsh but face facts he is just a meter maker and not avery good one at that.

captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing has he, something O'Looughlin can only ever dream about. FACT

He doesn't kick for us do you want to get into a points argument between our 2 kickers cause there will be only 1 winner

Says something when he could only get into the england team in a position he doesn't play

Sorry King Warrior I wasn't comparing goal kickers just pointing out what sinny brings to the team/game that Mr O'Loughlin clearly does not, please enlighten us to the qualities of your number 13, as I just cant see them and would further question his inclusion inthe dream team, not that I am saying sinny deserves to be in it as he does not he has been way below his normally high standards in all aspects of his game

Just about ok with choices but 2 positions puzzle me:-

Has Tomkins really been better than McGuire this season?

Is Wellens the best FB in the country?

and if you can't see what a guy who has captained a team to 4 Gf wins can do for us you don't know much about rl

For me he is a good club man and great kicker, He would never get a look in for England if he was playing for the likes of Cas or Quins though for example, he reminds me of Deacon with just a bit more pace and size.

I suppose if you ignore the fact that:

Roby has scored 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby has created 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby makes twice as many carries for over 1m per carry more than Piggy
Roby averages over 30% more tackles a game and misses fewer of them than Piggy
Roby makes 6 times more offloads as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many tackle busts as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many clean breaks as Piggy
Roby has kicked 40/20 and Piggy hasn't
Roby gives away fewer penalties than Piggy

then you have a great point there.

It seems to me that O'Loughlin is (just as Sinfield tends to be) underestimated by opposition fans.

He's had a very good year and fully deserves his selection IMO.

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Is that the Australian Michael Dobson who currently plays for Hull KR. Have I missed something?

This year O'loughlin in 3 more games has significantly bettered Sinfield in the following:
Tries
Try assists
Metres
Tackles
Tackle busts
marker Tackles

He has made slightly more errors and penalties given away (in more games)

And has missed fewer tackles and had fewer yellow cards.

Oh and he has missed fewer goal kicks as well!

Agree entirely.

Certainly does my friend.

Sinfield has had a mediocre year. O'Loughl;in has had a great year.

Sinfield remains one of the greats of the game though.

I've always liked O'Loughlin and never understood why people bag him so much. If we get a decnt halfback partenership and fullback (some combination of Widdop, Eastwood, Tomkins and McGuire) then I'd like to think we could bury the 'ball handling loose forward' idea that hasn't worked in the 30 years I've been watching GB/England get pasted.