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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: tvoc "I've never heard of the reigning SL Champions being given a different salary cap allowance to the rest of the comp in recognition of this extra fixture.

The Leeds players are contracted from November to October. That they will have to take part in this extra fixture (over and above their SL duties) by comparison with the rest of the SL teams is the price they pay for being successful the previous year.

The only payment I've seen as been outside the salary cap calculation is the payment of any bonus received as a share of the prize money paid out by the RFL.'"

But that's being fairly obtuse when the regulations themselves envisage and allow the club to pass on all or part of any prize money without it being included in the salary cap.

I know you're discussing the issue with Gotcha but I thought he was being clear and you're attempting to knit fog.

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Quote: G1 "Yet you were fairly critical of him last year for not spending up to the cap and not strengthening the 3rd consecutive title winning squad to your satisfaction.'"


As was the CEO himself who perhaps like me had ambitions of retaining the WCC and having a successful run in the Challenge Cup given a favourable draw, as well as retaining the title.

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I blame the up coming X factor gig for our poor start to the season...very distracting IMHO.

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: tvoc "As was the CEO himself who perhaps like me had ambitions of retaining the WCC and having a successful run in the Challenge Cup given a favourable draw, as well as retaining the title.'"

You also lauded Hull for the signing of Sam Moa and this Lueaki character who you were only this past few weeks praising very highly.

You might wish to speak to Paul Cullen about this Leuaki chap.

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Quote: G1 "You also lauded Hull for the signing of Sam Moa and this Lueaki character who you were only this past few weeks praising very highly.

You might wish to speak to Paul Cullen about this Leuaki chap.'"


I had a few opinions last season (I'll likely as not have a few more this one also as it unfolds.) I'm out there.

I have no wish to speak to Paul Cullen ever (has he divulged or withdrawn last weeks 'tip of the iceberg' drug abuse allegations yet?) but I will still take note of what he has to say, I presume this will be on Boots 'N All will it?

Any news on Donald yet?

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: tvoc "I had a few opinions last season (I'll likely as not have a few more this one also as it unfolds.) I'm out there.

I have no wish to speak to Paul Cullen ever (has he divulged or withdrawn last weeks 'tip of the iceberg' drug abuse allegations yet?) but I will still take note of what he has to say, I presume this will be on Boots 'N All will it?

Any news on Donald yet?'"

It was on a bit I saw (I am recording it for later viewing). He basically highlights this Leuaki character as the reason for Hulls defeat. Does a real hatchet job on him.

That was all I saw. I hope but don't expect, Eddie to ask him about the RFLs response to his rambling rant.

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Quote: G1 "It was on a bit I saw (I am recording it for later viewing). He basically highlights this Leuaki character as the reason for Hulls defeat. Does a real hatchet job on him.
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Just watching it now, Cullen hatchet job is right. From that I'd say Lauaki just needs to reign it in slightly otherwise an excellent example of the type of niggling away that ruffles the opposition set.

Some might say reminiscent of what Ryan Bailey does so effectively for Leeds when he's on his game.

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Quote: tvoc "Just watching it now, Cullen hatchet job is right. From that I'd say Lauaki just needs to reign it in slightly otherwise an excellent example of the type of niggling away that ruffles the opposition set.

Some might say reminiscent of what Ryan Bailey does so effectively for Leeds when he's on his game.'"

Effective being the key word. That didn't look effective.

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McClennan himself and Sinfield have said things along the lines Eastwood has about the whole team being focussed on the WCC. Lets hope if they lose they don't go and lose a bunch more games afterwards in another WCC hangover.

TBH if that's been the attitude its no surprise at all if we've struggled to date. Personally I think its the wrong way to warm up for a big game - I think the old Wigan approach of playing harder if anything in the run up to a cup final is the way to go. It's also a red rag - if any were needed - for our opponents to be effectively treated as pre-season games.

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Quote: Gotcha "None of the players have been "busting a gut" although JJB comes pretty close.

However, accepted I used a wrong choice of words. By "busting a gut" I meant on top of their game, which is what you alluded to in your second sentence.

Forgetting all about the WCC, and assuming we had another normal game this weekend, do you believe that all the players who played last week (whom were the same that played the week before) would be deserving of their spot this week? If anybody does, then I can not accept that you believe we have a strong squad.'"

Who would you drop and who would you bring in?
For mine the only player who seems to have had a raw deal is Burgess.

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Quote: G1 "Effective being the key word. That didn't look effective.'"


It's all in the editing. Three penalties in three games is an acceptable price to pay if getting under the skin of the opposition is part of carrying out your coach's game plan.

Just as the Headingley highlights appeared to concentrate on Leeds targeting one of the Salford wingers with considerable success. Though Cullen still managed to describe the Salford number 5 (Gibson is it?) as the centre caught out of position when to everyone else he played on the right wing all night.

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Quote: Gotcha "But surely this particular game would be exceptional to the salary cap.

Only one team can appear in it. Therefore it would be unfair to penalise that team that appears in it by including any payments in the cap. That would immediately put that team at a disadvantage to the other sides, as the other sides are not taking part.

The cap for leveling out the competition is exactly that, for the Super League competition. The WCC is outside the super league competition.'"


Then it could be argued that you pay a big chunk of your cap on this one game - thereby creating significant space under your cap for the rest of the season?

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Quote: leicester_rhino "Its an interesting exception that, doesn't really sit with the idea that the salary cap is used to level out the competition.

A £100k contract at Leeds or St Helens over the last 6 years must have been worth significantly more than a £100k contract at castleford or even Wigan'"


Isn't that what Sinfield alluded to in his post match interview after the WCC

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Quote: Serge A. Storms "Then it could be argued that you pay a big chunk of your cap on this one game - thereby creating significant space under your cap for the rest of the season?'"


icon_confused.gif: The prize money is £50,000 shared. That is what is been talked about. If the players were getting £100k each for this one game and £2 a week for the rest of the season, then I understand the argument.

But what we are talking about there is one exceptional game, that only one team in Super League can compete in, with it been clear and upfront what they are doing.

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Quote: Gotcha "David, the results are not the issue as far as I am concerned, I don't how you read that from my post. What is an issue is performance, and inparticular the performances of some of the players.

My question was, with such a game coming up and with the prize money on offer (as heard today), I would have expected the players to have been busting a gut to get to play in that game, considering IMO the squad strength available. What we have seen is completely the oppossite and I therefore raised the question that players appear to be guaranteed spots regardless of their form.

You like previous posters have basically confirmed that question that players are guaranteed their position. Personally I don't like that, and am a strong believer that players should earn their spot, which in several cases I don't think they are doing this season yet.

The rest of your post I entirely dissagree with and therefore won't bother arguing about it.'"


You are stating the obvious - so Sinfield had a poor game on Friday, Peacock was so so - you would not drop Sinfield if he had 10 bad games on the trot - experienced players have earned the latitude that McClennan gives them.

Again I come back to a point I have consistently made - why do we as fans expect the players to have the same priorities as us. The WCC is the least important of the so-called major games, so important to Melbourne that they have left half a side in Australia targeted with being fit for round 1 of the NRL. Maybe the players also have a similar view - it is a nice to win but pales into insignificance compared to the CC final, GF or even a win away at Saints.

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