Life is hard, isn't it.

In an ideal world he'd stay, leaving us with a Diskin McShane tandem for 2011.

Nobody is suggesting playing McShane every week just yet are they?

I am certainly not, just pointing out that it's difficult to get experience without playing.

2011 is only a season and a half away. what do we do then if we don't have Buderus or Diskin? Buy another top class aussie hooker to spell with McShane?

What are Saints going to do without Cunningham?

Roby's only been in the team as regular for two full seasons. He's got his experience from playing. Next year he will be Saints number 9.

Funny because if McShane was Buderus number 2 for next two seasons, it would be a similar situation.

Roby is only used to playing in spells. With Cuningham gone he is the only hooker unless they sign someone. He would probably be knackered if left to play a full game.

They have scott moore to return from the giant's!!

Correct. Because they sent him out on loan to super league teams for 2 years. Good planning if you ask me.

Saints got rid of a good hooker in Higham, to make way for Roby to play the spells in tandem with Cunningham. They sent the next in line out on loan to super league to get more experience ready for when Cunningham finished.

It would be the equivalent of us getting rid of Diskin to not hold McShane back. Use McShane as the second hooker to Buderus, and send out the next person in line out on loan for more and more experience.

Of course you have to build into that risk factors, such as can Buderus go injury free'ish.

plus the fact that when we don't have diskin and buderus in 2011 our first choice and only hooker is a teenager with very little experience

What if!!!!

Leeds have had offers to Loan Macca but Macca has said he'd rather train and keep pushing for a First Team spot?

Roby has over 150 appearances albeit about two thirds as sub. I know his debut was early 2004, but with an average of 35-40 games a season, thats at least four years of near regular appearances.

The other difference of course is that Saints sent Moore out on loan to clubs they knew weren't a threat to them in terms of league position. Are there many clubs in that position who Leeds would feel comfortable lending first team squad members to?

Good point Mr Gilder.

Although the club previously have stated that they would not hold back a player from playing against his club. They let Scruton and Botham play against us whilst on loan.

I'm not suggesting McShane playing every week but unless Brian McClennan is thinking of playing him in 8/10 First Team games this season i'd rather have him out on loan than playing Reserve Academy level...

Well Scott Moore is out of contract at the end of the season so it's a case of whether St Helens want him or whether he wants to go back to them ...