The only thing I would be worried about is that teams seem able to suck Leeds into this type of play, especially when they are losing! It seems no coincidence that both Leeds' losses this year have followed "fights" on the pitch.

the niggle, and biff actually got us back into the game, rather than lost us it

whats all this whining about coming in third man?! if a player for my team just stood there and watched two team mates trying to wrestle someone up id go mental. players are taught to come in 3rd man, and like wise players are taught to 'open up' a player for the 3rd man to come in and complete the tackle.

if anyones complaining about things boiling over, go and watch football instead. i want to see my RL played with fire, passion and intensity, played within inches of the laws of the game. I accept that means players are gonna cross the line from time to time.

baileys bad rep comes more from just generally being dirty when its not neeeded, ie when leeds are running riot. theres just no need. thats why fans of other teams hate him...

No its' not, its' because he's black and you and the other idiots are racist.

Unless, of course you have any specific incidents of him generally being dirty you'd care to share? You know, examples of red cards or even yellow cards for foul play, that sort of thing.

There's nothing wrong with third man in, at all. But Graham's only hit on Bailey came in this form. Hardly showing him a thing or two is it? He's static, held by two others, and then Graham pops up and knocks him down. Compare that to the Bailey shot on Maurie. Which is the better hit? If Graham felt the need to settle a score, he could have gone one on one with the big man, in attack or defense, but he chose not to. I'll let you work that one out for yourself.

If you want to see rugby which is hard, firey and with passion, you shouldn't mind Bailey's rough stuff. His 'track record' isn't like most made out. Players can't handle his style, and if they can't get on top of him, they'll moan about him, which transfers through to the supporters. With Bailey being officially, 'the most feared man in Super League' comes these situations. It's easier to continue to de-rail someone than to look through objective eyes and hold your hands up and say 'I was wrong'.

you wanna be careful throwing that card around...

i dont have a problem with bailey in general, i like my props to have a bit of c*** about them - thats how it should be. its just not needed when you hammering the other team. he was like it at junior rugby, always taking any opportunity to smash the little kids up who didnt have a chance. he doesnt ALWAYS front up against the big teams

Any specifics yet?

Quote: MHL "again its the intent, not the actually damage you do. temperature in the ground/on the pitch has f*ck all to do with the rules. its not a kids game, or a mess about on the park, the ref is there to call the rules, not to decide 'what's best'* smith didn't punch out, he pushed out. big difference, and after having his hair pulled, given a facial and saints trying to slow the ball down. it was a fairly normal reaction (not saying it was correct or what we should have in our game), that's normally ignored and play continues. gilmour then throws 5/6 punches at a player still on his knee's. yet has nothing done to him, yeh wise call To be fair, I'm not sure it's Gilmour who gives most of the facial. If you watch www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_7/ you might be left wondering exactly what role Pryce is playing, and more to the point where his hands are. Also worth looking at around the 5 minute mark where Burrow gets laid out. I thought he'd been clattered by Long's knee when I saw it on Friday - looks more like he's hit by a leading elbow when replayed.

Quote: MHL "again its the intent, not the actually damage you do. temperature in the ground/on the pitch has f*ck all to do with the rules. its not a kids game, or a mess about on the park, the ref is there to call the rules, not to decide 'what's best'* smith didn't punch out, he pushed out. big difference, and after having his hair pulled, given a facial and saints trying to slow the ball down. it was a fairly normal reaction (not saying it was correct or what we should have in our game), that's normally ignored and play continues. gilmour then throws 5/6 punches at a player still on his knee's. yet has nothing done to him, yeh wise call To be fair, I'm not sure it's Gilmour who gives most of the facial. If you watch www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_7/ you might be left wondering exactly what role Pryce is playing, and more to the point where his hands are. Also worth looking at around the 5 minute mark where Burrow gets laid out. I thought he'd been clattered by Long's knee when I saw it on Friday - looks more like he's hit by a leading elbow when replayed.

Here I draw my own experience:

He made me bleed at junior level. I was playing for Oulton Raiders, he was playing for Mirfield. I have always been a big lad, but he was huge. He gave me a hell of a hand-off. Bust my lip, I got up and tackled him from behind (with the help of another guy). We got tonked. He was at another level. He was a nice lad off the field. He smashed everyone, like he does now. That was his job. And I really don't see your point.

I take it your invite to the Bailey meet has already been posted by Special Delivery.

realising my error, maurie isnt a little kid...

and just because he doesnt get caught doesnt mean he isnt dirty!

and i cant comment on fridays game as im in germany at the minute and im having trouble with the internet so i couldnt 'listen' to the game on the radio...

Oh no!!!!

Watch is ASAP and get back to us with more ramblings.

Can't wait.

i cant find anything on youtube and i cant watch it on bbc as im not in the uk


im not trying to defend graham. ive not seen it.

i just get tired of RL fans, moaning about 3rd man.

if youve never seen Bailey giving cheap digs on the floor, your blind.

So no specific incidents then.

Maybe you should write to the RFL - their refs don't seem to spot it too often. Maybe they're blind as well?

Welcome to rugby league.

The 'niggle' was invented long before Bailey was even born. And long may in continue. I don't think you want to see hard rugby at all. Fancy a game of touch and pass?