a quick look on their website has shown them win at least 1 trophy every year for the past 6 seasons. if that isn't success, then i'm not quite sure what is!

then bluey knew tansey was in discussions, just didnt know tansey had accepted the offer until tansey went to see him.

fair enough, i had assumed you meant that bluey had no idea tansey was even in discussions, which was what i was disputing as i wouldnt have expected that to be the case (it may possibly be that way, who knows).

i suppose if your expected to win 3 trophies a season and win 1, is that success?

would saints fans call the last 2 seasons a success due to winning the CC? im not so sure...

depends do you call the 2005 season for Leeds a success? or the 2006 season?

its down to the individual i suppose, some would and some wouldnt.

i do tend to agree with you regarding wasps that they have been successful over the past few seasons. not sure whats happening this mind, losing LD has had some impact on them.

Would that be like us winning the Lazenby Cup then....

I have a box full of dozens of awards and trophies.. all rugby related over a couple of decades at least...

so I must be one of the best most successful coaches in the business.

I can't see that happening tbh. Leeds never let a good talent go especially after this one has shown so much potential.

I believe that Lewsey retires at the end of this season & Voyce is hit & miss.
I hope he doesn't go ...yet. But we have BJB hopefully to develop & replace webb when he calls it a day.
Good luck to the lad, money talks and it's a very short career. I would back Edwards' judgment.

I for one dont believe that RL players translate to the Union game.

Its is only the posts and the grass that are the same IMHO.

But if its just the money he is interested in then fine but that will still be there later on.

Have you got a fascination with capital letters?

I suppose with BJB able to cover the wing and Watkins / Gibson to fight for the centre spot Smith would vacate we would still be ok.

IF Smith left I guess a backline of;

Webb
Donald
Watkins / Gibson
Senior
Hall

With BJB able to cover FB and a wing slot would be ok. It would also leave us more cap space end of the season to bring in a replacement for Senior if he does call it time.

This is, of course, if the rumour is true, which I am still not sure about.

Not in anywhere near the same volume - union pays significantly more than league the salary cap is £4m some 2.5 times that of SL

Even average players in Union earn what the top players in league earn and the top union players earn what average premiership players earn.

If he went he would triple his current salary - it would be sad to see him go but you cannot keep everyone and it is a very short career.

He is a far better player than the current England full back a position that is easily translated from one code to the other.

All those who harp on about loyalty - what would you do if somebody offered you a massive increase?

If he goes he goes. There will still be a club after Lee Smith and he's not irreplaceable.

Like all propoganda David there is a kernel of truth in that statement but it needs to be examined carefully IMHO

Yes maybe half a dozen of their top clubs that my be true but not for the much wider base not by a long chalk.



The first part of the above is just plain propoganda Im afraid and grossly inaccurate IMHO I suppose it depends on your definition of average.

As for the second statement I believe he would have to have a full time international contract for that to be true

Tell me in the past 10 years how many top league players have made a succesful transition and walked straight into a regular international position.



The full back role is fundamentaly different even more so at international RU level and the facets required are almot diametrically opposed to those Smith excudes.